Darwin's Theory Of Evolution - A Theory in Crisis... Apparently

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That's the problem here, it doesn't mater if its opinion of hard scientific fact, it will not matter to these guys. There is absolutely nothing you can say or show that will change their minda

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That's the problem here, it doesn't mater if its opinion of hard scientific fact, it will not matter to these guys. There is absolutely nothing you can say or show that will change their minda

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Agreed....but remember you are also being read by others who might have open minds on the issue.
Staying to topic with logic proves a point to onlookers.


Personally, I see a big mistake in projecting atheism as a supporting argument. Evolution, imo, ought to be argued with a logic devoid of religious or anti religious viewpoints to start with.
The issue with many evolution debates is the insertion of belief systems into a scientific (reality ) format , in order to support fundamentalist beliefs.
The science behind evolution is so intensely strong, comments like that of Penn only wind up being destructive. Why? It's the same fallacy as what the fundamentalists argue.....to support beliefs ( pro/anti religious ) of a concept that can not be scientifically studied....that of a supreme being that created reality.

Science and faith just don't compare well and all Penn does is provide ammo for the fundie argument that science is an atheist argument against their religion......and from that pov.....it is.

However, it's only knowledge of reality.
IMO.....stick with debating reality and you can't go wrong. Use a drop out from clown college as an authoritative source and who the hell knows where you'll end up :D
 

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There's certainly no coming to an understanding, that's apparent

Unfortunately, as long as fundamentalist faith dictates what reality is, there is little hope of convincing them that science is only the means of studying reality and gaining knowledge of it.
 
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