Darwin's Theory Of Evolution - A Theory in Crisis... Apparently

[edgray]

Ok this made me wet myself right now. The creation scientists continue their assault on the scientific method now focussing their efforts on securing high ranking results in Google for genuine scientific searches:

http://www.darwins-theory-of-evolution.com/

Under the guise of a strong domain name, they try to lead you to their non-scientific conclusions about the origins of life.

They're still banging on about this ridiculous notion of "irreducible complexity" and now they've made a website about it. It even claims, get this:

The scientific reality of the DNA double helix can single-handedly defeat any theory that assumes life arose from non-life through materialistic forces. Evolution theory has convinced many people that the design in our world is merely "apparent" -- just the result of random, natural processes. However, with the discovery, mapping and sequencing of the DNA molecule, we now understand that organic life is based on vastly complex information code, and such information cannot be created or interpreted without a Master Designer at the cosmic keyboard.

Even though the discovery of DNA fitted PERFECTLY with evolutionary models and lead to a much greater understanding of the process.

Just to make it even funnier, they're using the age-old analogy of the mouse trap as an irreducibly complex system:

The common mousetrap is an everyday non-biological example of irreducible complexity. It is composed of five basic parts: a catch (to hold the bait), a powerful spring, a thin rod called "the hammer," a holding bar to secure the hammer in place, and a platform to mount the trap. If any one of these parts is missing, the mechanism will not work. Each individual part is integral. The mousetrap is irreducibly complex.

Refuted quite easily, and some time ago, by the inimitable Ken Miller in just under 3 minutes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieKDLtrBXs0

 

[KimmyCharmeleon]

Creationists annoy me. They think they're so smart trying to prove science wrong, when most of the time, they know Jack about it.

 

[Dana]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2S9CC2djCSw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcJvkAdydnQ&feature=related

 

[dkwrtw]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7HJH0IH3dc

 

[Peter Parka]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSZdHdfF4G4

 

[skyblue]

ok.....if we were created by a divine being.....who created the divine being?

 

[KimmyCharmeleon]

Ya mum created the divine being...ooh burn.

 

[edgray]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7HJH0IH3dc

EVERYONE should care.

The erroneous religious view of the world has a massively damaging effect on the world in several ways:

1) It creates the impression humans are separate from both the animal kingdom and nature. This allows for the justification of environmental destruction.

2) It creates a distrust and disbelief in science as it accepts the unproven and unprovable supernatural world as truth.

3) This disbelief hinders the progression of technology as new scientific discoveries aren't believed (global warming, for example) and new technologies aren't adopted.

4) The belief in God creates a view that God will save us, not ourselves. It separates us from our own actions.

 

[BornReady]

There is a tell-tale sign that shows the emptiness of intelligent design. Creation "scientists" target lay people as their audience. When a real scientist makes a new discovery and forms a hypothesis, the first thing she does is submit it to her peers to see if it can withstand their scrutiny.

 

[edgray]

There is a tell-tale sign that shows the emptiness of intelligent design. Creation "scientists" target lay people as their audience. When a real scientist makes a new discovery and forms a hypothesis, the first thing she does is submit it to her peers to see if it can withstand their scrutiny.

This is the main argument against ID being taught in the science classroom. ID "scientists" have never had anything successfully peer-reviewed because their work is empty, flimsy, and is the very antithesis of the scientific process. It's theism, pure and simple.

What you say is so true, and it's why websites like this are so dangerous. They appeal to those with little or sno scientific understanding and give it to them in relationship to their religious beliefs. These people should really be shut down on the basis of intellectual fraud.

 

[Dana]

the fact of the matter is nobody truly has all the answers.

 

[edgray]

the fact of the matter is nobody truly has all the answers.

And that's one of the problems right there.

Science has answers, by the truck load.

Look into it.

 

[Dana]

Sure it does

 

[edgray]

Sure it does

It sure does.

How do you think your comfortable modern life is possible? Science, for fucks sake. From the car you use to move around, to the heating and lighting in your house, to the food on your table, to the very computer you're using right now. These are all the results of scientific understanding.

Science doesn't have the kind of answers people want tho. People want to be "special". Science doesn't provide that kind of explanation, science just provides an explanation of reality. And it's has a good amount of that covered.

Seriously, you should actually look into it, you could benefit from learning some stuff.

 

[MainerMikeBrown]

As it stands, scientists say there's overwhelming evidence supporting Darwin's theories on evolution. And I believe what scientists say, as opposed to religious leaders who believe whatever they want to believe.

 

[Panacea]

I'm reading Why Evolution is True again lol and I just saw this quote n the title today. Funny the thread was reanimated.

 

[Dana]

I still think we're all aliens... My moms bf thinks this was a prison planet. Makes a bit of sense when you think about how fucked up society is.

 

[Abcinthia]

Damn I thought Edgray was back for a second.

 

[skyblue]

what if this planet was tampered with?....a superior species simply cross breeding with the most alike species here

thats science and creationalism

 

[Tim]

what if this planet was tampered with?....a superior species simply cross breeding with the most alike species here

thats science and creationalism

That's not creationism unless they created out of thin air.

I mean a scientist isn't practicing creationism when he breeds a brand new bacteria through genetic manipulation. He is altering and changing, but not creating... right?

The same can be said about dog breeders. All of these different breeds of dogs weren't created by man, they were altered.