Computer Survey

[edgray]

Years ago I read that at MS, for their Mac software dept, they had 1 tech per 100 Macs. In contrast for their Windows machines they had 1 tech per 25 machines. No surprise there.

That's the nice thing about macs, a little knowledge is all that's needed to keep them running, they make everything easy. They use a lot of Macs at Microsoft for development, because they make great development platforms.

You can run the praise of MAC all you want but they will soon barely run any software other then "Apple Approved" due to them snubbing Intel. They may soon find their only processor of choice being their own Clone that may not run or could well glitch other programs.

http://www.9to5mac.com/intel-apple-534093460

http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/23/apple-buys-chip-p-a-semi-chip-designer-intel-says-wha/

I can best build you a computer for about 500-700€ that can best yours and will run Windows and Linux with ease. Show me a MAC that can dual boot another operating system or even let you run other OS systems.. Better yet, show me one that can be upgraded for a new CPU without having to give up a first born ?

If you are a die hard Apple fan best you hold on to what you got cause it got as good as it gets..

No, those articles are seriously out of date. The first one relates surely to the A4 chip situation, hardly a snub at Intel. The second claims you can't buy Core i7 MacBooks, even though if you go to the Apple store they're right there, ready for purchase.

I'm sure you think you can build a computer that can "best" mine for 700€, but in what way will it "best" it? Will you get a glorious (and I mean absolutely glorious, you have to see it to believe it) 27" screen for that? Nope. Will you have the Magic Mouse? The Apple bluetooth keyboard? Nope. Will it have Bluetooth connectivity? FireWire 400/800? Built in iSight camera? A beautifully designed chasis? Nope. Infrared media remote control? Nope. Mac OS X? Nope. iLife?

And that's a good point: iLife. Macs are worth it for those alone.

Oh, and ALL macs can be dual boot thanks to Boot Camp. With ease. And they've been able to for a couple of years now. Heck, someone even got Windows Mobile running on an iPhone. Not to mention Linux and a straight Unix install. My iPhone is even set up as a webserver running Apache...

See, this is the thing, all criticisms leveled against Macs come through not understanding.

 

[Minor Axis]

Hey look, there's an i7 Mac Book Pro imagine!

 

[edgray]

Hey look, there's an i7 Mac Book Pro imagine!

fancy that! who'd have thunk it?!!

 

[Francis]

No, those articles are seriously out of date. The first one relates surely to the A4 chip situation, hardly a snub at Intel. The second claims you can't buy Core i7 MacBooks, even though if you go to the Apple store they're right there, ready for purchase.

I'm sure you think you can build a computer that can "best" mine for 700€, but in what way will it "best" it? Will you get a glorious (and I mean absolutely glorious, you have to see it to believe it) 27" screen for that? Nope. Will you have the Magic Mouse? The Apple bluetooth keyboard? Nope. Will it have Bluetooth connectivity? FireWire 400/800? Built in iSight camera? A beautifully designed chasis? Nope. Infrared media remote control? Nope. Mac OS X? Nope. iLife?

And that's a good point: iLife. Macs are worth it for those alone.

Oh, and ALL macs can be dual boot thanks to Boot Camp. With ease. And they've been able to for a couple of years now. Heck, someone even got Windows Mobile running on an iPhone. Not to mention Linux and a straight Unix install. My iPhone is even set up as a webserver running Apache...

See, this is the thing, all criticisms leveled against Macs come through not understanding.

I highly doubt you can build a MAC for 700€ with 27" monitor for that cost.

http://www.apple.com/imac/
MAC store retail cost $1699.00 US ( 1371€ )
http://finance.yahoo.com/currency-converter/?u#from=USD;to=EUR;amt=1699

And any boot option that will not take up excess space on the drive. Mine is set up with Drive trays.. Can you set up yours with hard drive trays ?

Part of the issue you did not address is the fact you cannot upgrade the CPU without giving up your first born..

iSight web cam - Equiv Logitech WebCam with autofocus works on all computers..

Bluetooth is available for any PC / MAC

Rest of the features can be found here and way more options that can ever be used but hey never hurts to have them..
http://usa.asus.com/product.aspx?P_ID=W7i5W4Pw4fH22Mih

or here..

http://usa.asus.com/product.aspx?P_ID=6i86Hj0lGriFHfY9

The case can be selected from any various sorts of "good looking types"..

The only thing I critizie about MAC it is being propriaetary.. Other then that it is a great device..

PS the iPad is not running an Intel processor..

1GHz Apple A4 custom-designed, high-performance, low-power system-on-a-chip

http://www.apple.com/ipad/specs/

 

[edgray]

I highly doubt you can build a MAC for 700€ with 27" monitor for that cost.

I'm fully aware of the cost of an iMac - I have one, remember! You claimed you could build a PC that would best my iMac... still yet to see that, remember, you have to include a 27" display in that 700$ you claim!

And any boot option that will not take up excess space on the drive. Mine is set up with Drive trays.. Can you set up yours with hard drive trays ?

I have a 1TB drive internally, plenty big enough. I can boot from any external firewire drive too, daisy chain as many as I'd like, or set-up a netboot of some description across wifi or ethernet.... the options are endless. But the point is, I can dual boot.

Part of the issue you did not address is the fact you cannot upgrade the CPU without giving up your first born..

Why would I ever want to upgrade a processor? That's a tiny part of a computer, slapping in a great new processor in an outdated machine is idiotic if you ask me. Better replace the entire thing, which I do about every 4 or 5 years. The old machines get recycled. The iMac I had before this lasted me 41/2 years, and did it's job beautifully without me ever wondering about upgrading a processor.

iSight web cam - Equiv Logitech WebCam with autofocus works on all computers..

Bluetooth is available for any PC / MAC

I'm aware that you can get cameras for PCs and Bluetooth too - my point was, mine are built in, ready out of the box and not extras I have to put in later or pay more for at the start. The same goes with every Mac. It makes for a very consistent platform. PCs cannot say the same, I don't know anyone with a PC laptop that has bluetooth, I'm sure they're out there, but the point is, it's not consistent.

Rest of the features can be found here and way more options that can ever be used but hey never hurts to have them..
http://usa.asus.com/product.aspx?P_ID=W7i5W4Pw4fH22Mih

or here..

http://usa.asus.com/product.aspx?P_ID=6i86Hj0lGriFHfY9

The case can be selected from any various sorts of "good looking types"..

It all looks lovely. Show me one in a case that looks as good as this, with as many features, out of the box, for the same price:

The only thing I critizie about MAC it is being propriaetary.. Other then that it is a great device..

PS the iPad is not running an Intel processor..

How is Mac proprietary? They run Mac OS X, Windows, Linux, Unix and pretty much anything else you'd care to run on them. You have a vibrant open source software community, which Apple has given much code too (remember that some web browsers run on webkit, like Chrome, which Apple contributed to)

And I know, iPad runs on the A4 chip, as I said... just like the new iPhone 4

 

[Francis]

Why would I ever want to upgrade a processor?


I'm aware that you can get cameras for PCs and Bluetooth too - my point was, mine are built in, ready out of the box and not extras I have to put in later or pay more for at the start. The same goes with every Mac. It makes for a very consistent platform. PCs cannot say the same, I don't know anyone with a PC laptop that has bluetooth, I'm sure they're out there, but the point is, it's not consistent.



It all looks lovely. Show me one in a case that looks as good as this, with as many features, out of the box, for the same price:

How is Mac proprietary? They run Mac OS X, Windows, Linux, Unix and pretty much anything else you'd care to run on them. You have a vibrant open source software community, which Apple has given much code too (remember that some web browsers run on webkit, like Chrome, which Apple contributed to)

And I know, iPad runs on the A4 chip, as I said... just like the new iPhone 4

The underlined items show why you will never agree with me.. You will understand why a PC ( I am not talking Windows but any other OS system ) can be better than an Apple one.

You love the Apple products to the Rotten Core.. :24::24:

PS here a Bluetooth Laptop with all the bells and whistles..
http://www.acer.co.uk/acer/productv...tx1g.c2att92=122&ctx1.att21k=1&CRC=1222122425

And their new phone that's not an iPhone but not shabby.
http://mobile.acer.com/en/phones/li...nt=Liquid+Ferrari&utm_campaign=Liquid+Ferrari

But I am sure in trhe typical Ed manner you will find things to whine about.. :sarcasm:24::24:

 

[edgray]

Francis do you actually read what has been posted??

You still haven't built this dream unit for 700$ that will best my iMac. I'd challenge you to build one for $1400 that has every feature of my 27" iMac.

It's funny you should post a link to that laptop, my girlfriend has the model below, an Acer Aspire 5735z, and the problems it has are nothing short of ridiculous. The design is so poor the vents are on the bottom and the unit overheats and cuts out after about 2 hours of use. Nice. Sleep mode doesn't work as it hangs when being woken up every single time. The track pad is appalling to use and the screen is just ghastly. Battery lasts about an hour. The unit is clunky and badly made, incredibly heavy and the power adapter is the size of a small house.

But my point, if you'd have read what I wrote, wasn't that PC laptops don't have bluetooth, it's that not many laptops do, and none of my friends with their various PC laptops have Bluetooth as standard. They come over and ask me for a file, I say I'll Bluetooth it to them, but no, I can't because it's not usually a standard feature. Even on the laptop you posted, it's a manufacturing "extra", not standard.

 

[Francis]

Francis do you actually read what has been posted??

You still haven't built this dream unit for 700$ that will best my iMac. I'd challenge you to build one for $1400 that has every feature of my 27" iMac.

It's funny you should post a link to that laptop, my girlfriend has the model below, an Acer Aspire 5735z, and the problems it has are nothing short of ridiculous. The design is so poor the vents are on the bottom and the unit overheats and cuts out after about 2 hours of use. Nice. Sleep mode doesn't work as it hangs when being woken up every single time. The track pad is appalling to use and the screen is just ghastly. Battery lasts about an hour. The unit is clunky and badly made, incredibly heavy and the power adapter is the size of a small house.

But my point, if you'd have read what I wrote, wasn't that PC laptops don't have bluetooth, it's that not many laptops do, and none of my friends with their various PC laptops have Bluetooth as standard. They come over and ask me for a file, I say I'll Bluetooth it to them, but no, I can't because it's not usually a standard feature. Even on the laptop you posted, it's a manufacturing "extra", not standard.

Hi Ed, yes I did read and understand what is written..

I had 5 paragraphs of well written stuff Ed but then I realized this would never end.. :24:

I hope you were not one of the unlucky people with a 27" bad displays..

http://www.9to5mac.com/imac_27_delay_4588888

Good luck with the MAC you so love.. :thumbup

 

[edgray]

no probs with my screen