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Clinton Unveils Health Care Plan

BETH FOUHY Associated Press Writer
DES MOINES, Iowa-Thirteen years after her first effort at improving the nation's health care was abandoned, Hillary Rodham Clinton offered a new approach that would require every American to have health insurance with federal assistance to help defray the cost.
"If you're one of the tens of millions of Americans without coverage or if you don't like the coverage you have, you will have a choice of plans to pick from and you'll get tax credits to help pay for it," said the Democratic presidential candidate. "If you like the plan you have, you can keep it. It's a plan that works for America's families and America's businesses, while preserving consumer choices."

DES MOINES, Iowa (AP) - Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton is unveiling a sweeping health care proposal Monday that would require everyone to carry health insurance and offer federal subsidies to help reduce the cost of coverage.
Fulfilling a pledge to bring health care to all, Clinton's "American Health Choices Plan" has a price tag of about $110 billion per year. It represents her first major effort to achieve universal health coverage since 1994, when the plan she authored during her husband's first term collapsed.
"It is long past time that Americans and the richest of all countries realize that health care is a right and not a privilege," Clinton said at a labor forum in Chicago. "And that goes especially for people who work hard every single day."
The former first lady says she has learned from the 1990s experience, which almost derailed Bill Clinton's presidency and helped put Republicans in control of Congress for years to come. Aides say she has jettisoned the complexity and uncertainty of the last effort in favor of a plan that stresses simplicity, cost control and consumer choice.
The centerpiece of Clinton's plan is the so-called "individual mandate," requiring everyone to have health insurance - just as most states require drivers to purchase auto insurance. Rival John Edwards has also offered a plan that includes an individual mandate, while the proposal outlined by Barack Obama does not.
Clinton, the Democratic front-runner, has already laid out proposals to improve health care quality and reduce costs. She was to release her universal health care plan in Iowa, the first voting state.
With 47 million Americans currently uninsured, the Democratic presidential contenders have been united in advocating universal coverage. They have parted ways on certain specifics, including the individual mandate, which has detractors from both ends of the political spectrum.
Republican skeptics say it would be too invasive and would restrict personal freedom and choice. Liberal Democrats have expressed concern that such a mandate would be too financially burdensome for lower-income individuals and families - a concern shared by Obama, who has said individuals cannot be forced to purchase insurance until the cost of coverage is substantially reduced.
Aides said Clinton believes that an individual mandate is the only way to achieve health care for all. A key component of her plan would be a federal tax subsidy to help individuals pay for coverage.
Clinton's plan builds on the existing employer-based system of coverage. People who receive insurance through the workplace could continue to do so; businesses, in turn, would be required to offer insurance to employees, or contribute to a government-run pool that would help pay for those not covered. Clinton would also offer a tax subsidy to small businesses to help them afford the cost of providing coverage to their workers.
For individuals and families who are not covered by employers or whose employer-based coverage is inadequate, Clinton would offer expanded versions of two existing government programs: Medicare, and the health insurance plan currently offered to federal employees. Consumers could choose between either government-run program, but aides stress that no new federal bureaucracy would be created under the Clinton plan.
Aides said Clinton will propose several specific measures to pay for her plan, including an end to some of the Bush-era tax cuts for people making more than $250,000 per year. Edwards has vowed to completely repeal the tax cuts for high earners to pay for the cost of his plan, estimated at $90 billion-$120 billion per year, while Obama would pay for his plan in part by letting the tax cuts expire in 2010.
In response, Obama said Clinton's plan is similar to one he proposed in the spring, "though my universal health care plan would go further in reducing the punishing cost of health care than any other proposal that's been offered in this campaign."
He took another swipe at the Clinton administration's closed-door sessions on health care in the 1990s, saying "the real key to passing any health care reform is the ability to bring people together in an open, transparent process that builds a broad consensus for change."
Republican Mitt Romney, in New York City for a fundraising stop, criticized Clinton's proposal, saying, "'Hillary care' continues to be bad medicine ... in her plan, we have Washington-managed health care. Fundamentally, she takes her inspiration from European bureaucracies."
The plan that Romney helped institute while governor of Massachusetts requires the same individual insurance mandate as Clinton's and uses state subsidies to help reduce the cost of private coverage. Since then, Romney has said he would leave it up to the states to decide whether they supported such a mandate.
Clinton is also expected to stress several cost-saving measures to help pay for universal coverage. She's already recommended several such proposals, such as computerized medical record-keeping and a reduction in federal overpayments to hospitals and health maintenance organizations. She would also promote wellness and disease prevention as a way to reduce costs.
Clinton is sure to court danger from the health insurance industry by proposing several industry reforms. Among other things, she would require insurance companies to provide coverage to all consumers regardless of pre-existing conditions.
The insurance industry helped kill Clinton's earlier attempt at health care reform through a multibillion-dollar media and lobbying campaign that included television ads featuring a middle-class couple named Harry and Louise fretting over having to get their insurance through a new "billion-dollar bureaucracy."
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I'm so unbelievably against this. First off, we all know damn well that if she says it costs $110 Billion, it's going to be more.

Secondly, she's said to pay for it she would get rid of tax breaks for people who make over $250,000. Why should it fall to our rich to pay for our poor? That's Communism, not Capitalism. Our country/economy is based on Capitalism, you're out to make money for yourself.

Thirdly, what makes the government so arrogant to think they can do better than the Free Market system??? Believe me, I've seen government healthcare at it's finest in the military. The answer to everything is "Take Motrin, hydrate, and come back in 10 days if it still hurts." Do you honestly believe that these government doctors wouldn't do the absolute minimum for their patients to stay within whatever budget is alloted to them?

And lastly, the individual mandate is bullshit. I hate big government. If each state wanted to approach this problem, I'd be a lot more open to it. But the national government FORCING everyone to take part is absolute crap.
 

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i'm just glad it's being talked about because something has to be done the price of health care needs to come down.;)
 

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i'm just glad it's being talked about because something has to be done the price of health care needs to come down.;)
Heck, the price of everything needs to come down! I agree with you though. I just think there has to be a better way to do it than putting the government in charge and cramming it down everybody's throats and using tax dollars to pay for it.
 

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Donnie, did you bother reading the proposed legislation on this or are you just shooting from the hip? What are you talking about "your tax dollars" paying for it? You are already paying for 45 million uninsured people.

From what I've read so far about it... it will be subsidized by letting the tax cut Bush put into place for the wealthiest 2% run out. So unless you are making more than $250,000.00 it won't affect you. It will also be subsidized by taking the health care system and computerizing all of the records. Since it costs billions of dollars a year the way it is having everything on paper.

Now as for changes to your life... If you have insurance with your current employer, than nothing will change. You won't pay more or less, your taxes won't go up... but they may come down.

Right now in the market we have, a family of four pays $1000 a month for insurance... that is if you are all health with no preexisting conditions preventing you from being covered. So how does a family who only makes $40,000 a year afford that? Well, they don't... that's why we have 45,000,000 uninsured citizens in this country. This free market isn't helping them get insurance... so what do we do? I'm sure that Hilary's plan isn't close to being perfect, but shouldn't something be offered so we can talk about it and make some meaningful change?

I wonder how many people on this forum are without or have been without health insurance. And if you don't have it, did you have to wait until you REALLY needed it until you went? Doesn't it cost all of us more at that point?
 

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Donnie, did you bother reading the proposed legislation on this or are you just shooting from the hip? What are you talking about "your tax dollars" paying for it? You are already paying for 45 million uninsured people.

From what I've read so far about it... it will be subsidized by letting the tax cut Bush put into place for the wealthiest 2% run out. So unless you are making more than $250,000.00 it won't affect you.
I did read it, and I never said it was "my" tax dollars, Tim:

Secondly, she's said to pay for it she would get rid of tax breaks for people who make over $250,000. Why should it fall to our rich to pay for our poor?

I just think there has to be a better way to do it than putting the government in charge and cramming it down everybody's throats and using tax dollars to pay for it.


I'm sure that Hilary's plan isn't close to being perfect, but shouldn't something be offered so we can talk about it and make some meaningful change?
That's essentially what I said. I think there has to be a better way of doing it.

How about tax breaks for doctors who do X amount of pro bono work a year?
 

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I think it sounds good. We have it here and it works good even though its far from perfect, I never have to worry about whether I can afford to go to the hospital or doctors or not. The amount of threads I've read on here by people who are just suffering because they can't afford to go to the hospital, doctors or dentist makes me think it can only be an improvement!
 
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