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Cotton

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Here since I wasn't clear enough..

When the fighting ended early in 1949, the situation was as follows: In the north of the country the invading Lebanese army was repelled, IDF units even crossed into Lebanon and then retreated, and the old border of 1923 was restored. The Syrian army stood on some points a short distance west of the previous border, i.e. within the area of Israel. In the south, the Egyptian army was repelled and pushed back from most of the area, and IDF forces even entered the Sinai peninsula. The southern coastal plain, around the town of Gaza, remained in Egyptian hands. The most complicated situation was in the center of the country. Most of the mountainous area remained in the hands of the army of Transjordan and their Iraqi allies. Only a narrow "corridor," on both sides of the main road to Jerusalem, was held by the IDF. In Jerusalem the western part, in which there was mainly Jewish population but also some Arab sections, was occupied by Israel, while the eastern side, including the Old City and the many holy sites, came under Jordanian rule.

The military outcome of the war was reflected in four cease fire agreements, negotiated with the encouragement and under the auspices of the UN. The first was between Israel and Egypt, signed on 24 February 1949, the second between Israel and Lebanon (23 March 1949), then Israel and Jordan (3 April 1949) and the last one Israel and Syria (20 July 1949). By these agreements some small portions of land were exchanged, an international mechanism for maintaining the agreements was established, in the form of a UN force of observers (UNTSO) and a bilateral committee also under UN chairmanship. Both on the Israeli-Egyptian border and the Israeli-Syrian border there were a few Demilitarized Zones, in which the presence of military forces was forbidden. In its southern part, Israel remained within the lines of Palestine under the British mandate.

Thus was formed the strange border line of Israel, which was, in terms of international law only a temporary cease fire line. Within the 1949 boundaries the area of the State of Israel totalled 20,500 square kilometers, 450 km long, 135 km wide at its widest point and 15 km at its narrowest point, with a narrow corridor to the capital Jerusalem, which was a divided city.

Its temporary basis notwithstanding, this border became the internationally recognized boundary of Israel. Already in December 1948 Emir Abdullah of Jordan proclaimed himself King of Palestine and annexed the area west of the river Jordan, hence known as the West Bank. But this was not recognized by the international community (except by Britain and Pakistan). A narrow strip on the southern coastal plain, from Rafah to north of Gaza city, remained under Egyptian rule, but was never incorporated into Egypt or annexed by it. Both in the Gaza Strip and the West Bank were established camps for Arab population who left the area now Israel. Smaller camps were established in Lebanon, Syria, and in Jordan on the east side of the river.

This situation remained without change for 19 years, except for a short period in 1956-57 on the Israeli-Egyptian border. In the Sinai Campaign Israel defeated Egypt and conquered the Sinai peninsula for the period from November 1956 to January 1957. Israel, however, withdrew to its old border, and a new UN mechanism for maintaining the peace on this line was created: the UN Emergency Force (UNEF).

The most important, and greatest change in the borders of Israel came in 1967. It began in May 1967, when the Egyptian army entered Sinai. This move was perceived by Israel as a very grave threat to its very existence. After the international community failed to resolve the crisis, and being under great military threat, Israel went to war on 5 June. The Egyptian army was defeated in two days, and in 4 days IDF forces stood on the eastern bank of the Suez Canal. Jordan joined the war a few hours after Egypt, and was likewise defeated and the whole West Bank was taken by Israel as were Jerusalem, the Old City and the holy places. A war with Syria followed, and in 2 days the Golan heights were taken by the IDF. Thus in 6 days Israel defeated three Arab states, took the vast area of the Sinai, took the West bank and the Golan heights.

There ya go do some reading and educate yourself. Isreal stole nothing.

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debbie t

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better get onto washington and tell them your views
Israel ready to discuss creation of Palestinian state, says Rice



James Hider in Jerusalem


Israel is willing to discuss “fundamental issues” with the Palestinians about the creation of their future state, Condoleezza Rice, the US Secretary of State, said yesterday.
With the Palestinian leadership demanding that fresh talks focus on vital issues such as borders, the status of millions of refugees and the status of Jerusalem, Dr Rice held out new hope that talks could go beyond the modest trust-building measures that the Jewish state has so far put on the table.
Ehud Olmert, the Israeli Prime Minister, was ready to discuss key matters pertaining to a future Palestinian state, she told a joint press conference with Mahmoud Abbas, the Palestinian President, after talks in the West Bank city of Ramallah. “He said to me that he will support new discussions with you and that he is ready to discuss the fundamental issues that will lead to negotiations soon for the creation of a Palestinian state,” Dr Rice reported.
However, she refused to be drawn on whether the issues she discussed with Mr Olmert included refugees, borders or Jerusalem. She would say only that “the word fundamental speaks for itself”, adding: “I think the desire to move towards a two-state solution seems to be there on both sides.”
Dr Rice and Salam Fayyad, the moderate West Bank Prime Minister, also signed an $80 million (£40 million) framework agreement to assist Palestinian security forces after Fatah fighters in Gaza were routed by Hamas in June.
 

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Israel ready to discuss creation of Palestinian state, says Rice



James Hider in Jerusalem


Israel is willing to discuss “fundamental issues” with the Palestinians about the creation of their future state, Condoleezza Rice, the US Secretary of State, said yesterday.
With the Palestinian leadership demanding that fresh talks focus on vital issues such as borders, the status of millions of refugees and the status of Jerusalem, Dr Rice held out new hope that talks could go beyond the modest trust-building measures that the Jewish state has so far put on the table.
Ehud Olmert, the Israeli Prime Minister, was ready to discuss key matters pertaining to a future Palestinian state, she told a joint press conference with Mahmoud Abbas, the Palestinian President, after talks in the West Bank city of Ramallah. “He said to me that he will support new discussions with you and that he is ready to discuss the fundamental issues that will lead to negotiations soon for the creation of a Palestinian state,” Dr Rice reported.
However, she refused to be drawn on whether the issues she discussed with Mr Olmert included refugees, borders or Jerusalem. She would say only that “the word fundamental speaks for itself”, adding: “I think the desire to move towards a two-state solution seems to be there on both sides.”
Dr Rice and Salam Fayyad, the moderate West Bank Prime Minister, also signed an $80 million (£40 million) framework agreement to assist Palestinian security forces after Fatah fighters in Gaza were routed by Hamas in June.

Yes because I said at ANY point in this thread there shouldn't be a Palestinian state... Talk about putting words in peoples mouth.

All I said was you were wrong about "israel stealing land." Oops can't take being wrong I see.
 

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lol so start with the people who can't even go to a Cafe for lunch with out fear of a suicide bomber.
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this is where you referred to sitting down and having peace talks with the palestinians

oh and condoleza has signed away 80,000 dollars to the palestinian security forces????so they havent listened to your views in washington ...lets be thankful for that at least


yes britian couldnt cope with the situation,handed it over to the UN and the land was taken/stolen from people who had rightfully owned it and lived on it for centuries.
 

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this is where you referred to sitting down and having peace talks with the palestinians

oh and condoleza has signed away 80,000 dollars to the palestinian security forces????so they havent listened to your views in washington ...lets be thankful for that at least


yes britian couldnt cope with the situation,handed it over to the UN and the land was taken/stolen from people who had rightfully owned it and lived on it for centuries.


Do you read at all, ever?

I said NUMEROUS times Israel has made attempts for peace and to give Palestinians land. Bill Clinton and Ahud Barack (sp?) offered Yassar Arafat the biggest land offering in history, and he rejected it.. Why.. Because he didn't want peace he wanted to destroy Israel.

Israel was thrown into this mess BY YOUR government and the help of the UN. Yet they've all washed their hands of it, and instead of blaming themselves they blame the Israelis.

The United States gives MILLIONS of dollars to the PLO, however, with Arafat in charge all he did was keep it for himself.

Israel has been the ones to ask for cease fires, and it's been groups like Hamas and Hezbollah that continue to attack.

Get your head out of the ground for two fucking seconds a look at the real fucking picture.

Oh and my god the stolen/taken thing.. :wtf:
 

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cant be arsed ..you come out with inflamitary statements and then try to google your way into an intelligent conversation:smiley24:

im off to cook
 

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you seem to be the arrogant one here..i simply as did pete need you to clarify your statements which seem to be contradictory and at times as rude as is possible to get a rise.

in fact dont bother you canrt see petes posts and i cant see yours any more ,its easier
 

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I'm just going to play devils advocate here and point out a few similarities between the Nazi treatment of Jews and Israeli treatment of Palestinians.I look forward to seeing what people make of it all.

The nazis in Poland formed a Ghetto in Warsaw to pen the jews in. Israel does the same( West Bank,Gaza)

The Nazis would go in and shoot innocent women ansd children in the hunt for resistance fighters(Terrorists by todays terminology)
The Israeli army goes into Gaza and the West Bank and bombs whole streets and districts to kill a few Hamas terrorists/freedom fighters killing innocent women children and neutral journalists.

The people of the Warsaw ghetto had to make do with no food or goods coming in for them to live on.The Israelis have stopped food ,water and medical supplies entering Gaza and West Bank.

While there was a great deal of sympathy for the Jewish People after their horrific treatment by the Nazis after WWII these same people who suffered so much have turned around and inflicted the same abuses on the Palestinians just a few decades later.
 

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I'm just going to play devils advocate here and point out a few similarities between the Nazi treatment of Jews and Israeli treatment of Palestinians.I look forward to seeing what people make of it all.

The nazis in Poland formed a Ghetto in Warsaw to pen the jews in. Israel does the same( West Bank,Gaza)

The Nazis would go in and shoot innocent women ansd children in the hunt for resistance fighters(Terrorists by todays terminology)
The Israeli army goes into Gaza and the West Bank and bombs whole streets and districts to kill a few Hamas terrorists/freedom fighters killing innocent women children and neutral journalists.

The people of the Warsaw ghetto had to make do with no food or goods coming in for them to live on.The Israelis have stopped food ,water and medical supplies entering Gaza and West Bank.

While there was a great deal of sympathy for the Jewish People after their horrific treatment by the Nazis after WWII these same people who suffered so much have turned around and inflicted the same abuses on the Palestinians just a few decades later.
There is one major difference though, I believe. Aren't the Palestinians free to leave the West Bank and Gaza?
 

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There is one major difference though, I believe. Aren't the Palestinians free to leave the West Bank and Gaza?

Shouldn't the Palestinians be allowed to live in their own land though?

Personally I wish both sides could learn to live in peace, dosen't look likely though.:(
 
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