Attn: Guyzer or anybody who can advise on a camera

Alien Allen

Alien Allen

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My daughter asked for a camera and finally got back to me with a couple of choices

I know there might be something better but I told her to tell me which one. She was not sure so she gave me these two. If I come back with a better idea it is going to haunt me so I just want to know if anybody has a clue which of these is better.

Guy I know you will say Cannon but the specs on it seem less than the Kodak. Maybe not enough to be noticable??



http://www.target.com/Kodak-M590-Ea...ze_derived&searchRank=reviewrank&frombrowse=1





http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olstemplatemapper.jsp?id=1218170030335&type=product
 
With all due respect AA I didn't bother to read the links because you mentioned Kodak in the same sentence as Canon. I wouldn't touch one with a 10' pole and if I won one in a contest I would throw it away. I know it doesn't help you out but I was never one to call a spade a spade. I call 'em fucking shovels if you know what I mean.
 
I have the powershot and love it, actually it's the third powershot I've owned. It's fast and easy to use so I know she will love it. Compared to my friends point and shoots, it's easier and faster to use. And that is something that you want when you are out with friends taking pics.

I can't say anything about the Kodak... sorry, never played with one.
 
Alien Allen said:
I knew you would say that Guy :D

Thanks Tim

I think I will go with the Canon unless somebody else pops in later and disses it
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The first P & S I bought was a Kodak. It was a long time ago and I don't remember the model but what I do remember is taking it back the next day and exchanging it for a Canon. The difference in output was bloody amazing. That's my only experience with Kodak. As far as Canon's go... well you know what my thoughts are but in case you don't... you can't go wrong with em' providing you get the one with the options you want.
 
In all honesty AA, asking these "camera guys" about a point and shoot is like asking a formula one driver to suggest a Gremlin or a Pinto... we aren't talking apples to apples here.

You will probably get a better opinion from the hundreds of owners who own one or the other. Check out Amazon.com and read the comments on each camera. :dunno
 
Tim said:
In all honesty AA, asking these "camera guys" about a point and shoot is like asking a formula one driver to suggest a Gremlin or a Pinto... we aren't talking apples to apples here.

You will probably get a better opinion from the hundreds of owners who own one or the other. Check out Amazon.com and read the comments on each camera. :dunno
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what Tim said, camera guys are camera guys because they look down on casual camera users
 
According to Amazon.com

Canon had 222 reviews with an average of 4 stars
104 - 5 stars
59 - 4 stars
25 - 3 stars
21 - 2 stars
13 - 1 stars


Kodak had 19 reviews with an average of 3.5 stars
8 - 5 stars
3 - 4 stars
3 - 3 stars
2 - 2 stars
3 - 1 stars

According to the reviews alone I would stay away from the Kodak
 
Wyndex said:
camera guys are camera guys because they look down on casual camera users
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That's so far from the truth it isn't even funny. Most people think it's the camera alone that takes the shot. I wish that was true but unfortunately it isn't. Lot's of people with big fancy cameras don't have a clue how to use them nor do they have the patience to learn about what's in their hands. I've seen some amazing shots taken with cell phones so to sum it up.. it's more the eye and the brain behing the gear than the gear itself.

Comparing Kodak to Canon or Nikon is like comparing apples to oranges.

Tim had a good idea with the reviews but I tend to stay away from them. I prefer to read something from someone that knows what he's talking about. Hence I use this site a lot.

Here's Steve's summation on the Kodak. Pay attention to the last paragraph.

http://www.steves-digicams.com/camera-reviews/kodak/m380/kodak-m380-review-2.html

Unfortunately he hasn't reviewed the SD 1400 which seems strange. I'll try and find a review from another site I trust.
 
Guyzerr said:
That's so far from the truth it isn't even funny. Most people think it's the camera alone that takes the shot. I wish that was true but unfortunately it isn't. Lot's of people with big fancy cameras don't have a clue how to use them nor do they have the patience to learn about what's in their hands. I've seen some amazing shots taken with cell phones so to sum it up.. it's more the eye and the brain behing the gear than the gear itself.

Comparing Kodak to Canon or Nikon is like comparing apples to oranges.

Tim had a good idea with the reviews but I tend to stay away from them. I prefer to read something from someone that knows what he's talking about. Hence I use this site a lot.

Here's Steve's summation on the Kodak. Pay attention to the last paragraph.

http://www.steves-digicams.com/camera-reviews/kodak/m380/kodak-m380-review-2.html

Unfortunately he hasn't reviewed the SD 1400 which seems strange. I'll try and find a review from another site I trust.
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skyblue said:
i dont...i'm even thinking of getting a compact camera for everyday use
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I have to agree, firstly I always say it isn't about the camera :thumbup
 
Guyzerr said:
I should have closed my comment with " but a good camera does help. "
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A good camera doesn't just help, it makes a huge difference.

I was huge into film cameras back in the day. I took thousands of photos and definately know my way around a camera. I HAD to know my settings were correct concerning exposure, depth of field, etc because you don't get a quick look at the shot with film. I can't even begin to tell you how many notebooks I went through writing down every setting and condition of each shot so I could gauge the best settings...

Anyway, now I only have a point and shoot and a HD camcorder and I am very limited to what I can do. Actually it's so frustrating that I have no control over the f stop, shutter speed, film speed/type, filters, etc. It's just not the same shooting with a point and shoot and trying to add depth of field with photoshop. And you can never get the same detail and clarity you can with a good black and white film. Digital = grain
And this doesn't even bring in the factor of different lenses available. Grrr

So a good camera makes a HUGE difference and you are not fooling anyone when you argue otherwise.
 
Tim said:
A good camera doesn't just help, it makes a huge difference.

I was huge into film cameras back in the day. I took thousands of photos and definately know my way around a camera. I HAD to know my settings were correct concerning exposure, depth of field, etc because you don't get a quick look at the shot with film. I can't even begin to tell you how many notebooks I went through writing down every setting and condition of each shot so I could gauge the best settings...

Anyway, now I only have a point and shoot and a HD camcorder and I am very limited to what I can do. Actually it's so frustrating that I have no control over the f stop, shutter speed, film speed/type, filters, etc. It's just not the same shooting with a point and shoot and trying to add depth of field with photoshop. And you can never get the same detail and clarity you can with a good black and white film. Digital = grain
And this doesn't even bring in the factor of different lenses available. Grrr

So a good camera makes a HUGE difference and you are not fooling anyone when you argue otherwise.
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Tim if you are so knowledgeable about cameras why didn't you get a P & S with Av and shutter control?

I'm so fucking sick of people splitting hairs it's not even funny and to that end I'm outa here.
 
Thanks for the links and ahem some of the comments :D

Tim I think I know what Guy meant and you took it the wrong way. Nobody disputes a good camera will take better pictures than a lesser camera. However the person doing the shooting is kind of like a race car driver. I could have the best car on the track and not have a chance against one of the stars in a lesser car. Within reason ofcourse
 
Guyzerr said:
Tim if you are so knowledgeable about cameras why didn't you get a P & S with Av and shutter control?

I'm so fucking sick of people splitting hairs it's not even funny and to that end I'm outa here.
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Mine has Av and shutter control, but you can't compare the two. It's like putting a fart can on a Honda and calling it a race car.

Just look through all the shots you made over the years and see if you could achieve the same level with a point and shoot.
 
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