Athletes

[Darrell]

If that industry has that profit margin though how are they over paided. That is like saying the guy who invented velcro should only make X amount of dollars because he is not a doctor.

You are absolutely right. I agree.

 

[redliner]

What part of American factories being shipped overseas to manufacture cheap pro team trinkets, clothing and sneakers do you not understand? How do you think these manufacturers get the BILLIONS in profits to sponsor these athletes? By paying slave wages to Chinese workers, that's how.

You think this is a good thing for the middle class? Do you think this supports a prosperous and vibrant middle class economy?

Okay that is bad. I know when I have to eat crow. I agree with you there

Spoken like someone who does not know WTF they are talking about. When you get laid off your job and have to take one paying half of what you previously earned, then come back and tell us about it.

That has zip zero nothing to do with this thread. I am just saying minimum wage is there for a reason. People work there way up the salary pole as they grow and become more educated. I didn't mean any offence.

Tread carefully saying what someone you know nothing of knows about macro economics. I've been working in the American economy for over 31 years my young friend - that's longer than you have inhabited the planet. Your statement is ignorant and off base to use your own words. Aside from the highly paid coaches, agents and allied news media, most of those jobs pay shit and in our current economy, working families are forced to take what they can get while these teams make millions and bitch about paying even low wages to the maintenance staffs.

I know nothing about macro economics. I never said I did.I am glad you have been working for 31 years doing this. You have been on this earth long then me. Way to go. All I was refering to was you don't know what jobs these teams do generate. Saying it was just hot dog vendor and beer boys is a retarted statment. I found ignorate the front office and whole organization for a professional sports team is massive. From farm teams to scouts to management.

You have bought the corporate propaganda hook, line and sinker.

Yes I did

 

[Johnfromokc]

my sister is a CCRN (Critical care registered nurse ICU) and she has to be certified to do this and the hospital does not pay her to do this, she has had the same position for over twenty years and she has to read journals and go to seminars about her ever changing profession. Doctors too have to do this, they need to keep abreast of their ever changing environment and I think they should be educated in their fields. most athletes are not college grads and really should look at themselves if they are to be placed in that lofty place in people's lives.

My wife (CityGirl) is a BSN RN with a CCRN cert, and my sister and her daughter are also BSN RN's. Small world.

Interesting compared to the news we regularly read of college athlete scandals where they are just passed through the curriculum so they can remain on the teams and many graduate dumb as a rock, if they graduate at all - but get paid millions as yet another manufacturer moves overseas and buys a pro sports team for a tax write off.

Oh, and isn't it interesting how these billionaire owners manage to get local city governments to build their stadiums for them with tax payer money?

 

[redliner]

Health professionals are not looked down on. It is to bad that she does not make more. That is the problem with health care. Not professional sports.

 

[HK]

It's not logical to say 'if nurses want to earn more they should become doctors'. We need nurses to back up the doctors and do the jobs that the doctors are above doing, but can't be done by a layperson. There are several levels in every career. Just because there is a top level doesn't mean everyone could or should reach it, but that doesn't mean it's fair that some of these people are paid so little - their roles are just as vital.

 

[redliner]

Oh, and isn't it interesting how these billionaire owners manage to get local city governments to build their stadiums for them with tax payer money?

oh isn't it soo interesting that they build there stadiums for these teams and it generates more revenue for the communitys.

 

[redliner]

It's not logical to say 'if nurses want to earn more they should become doctors'. We need nurses to back up the doctors and do the jobs that the doctors are above doing, but can't be done by a layperson. There are several levels in every career. Just because there is a top level doesn't mean everyone could or should reach it, but that doesn't mean it's fair that some of these people are paid so little - their roles are just as vital.

Yeah that was a joke. I don't actually mean they should have become doctors.

 

[pjbleek]

My wife (CityGirl) is a BSN RN with a CCRN cert, and my sister and her daughter are also BSN RN's. Small world.

Interesting compared to the news we regularly read of college athlete scandals where they are just passed through the curriculum so they can remain on the teams and many graduate dumb as a rock, if they graduate at all - but get paid millions as yet another manufacturer moves overseas and buys a pro sports team for a tax write off.

Oh, and isn't it interesting how these billionaire owners manage to get local city governments to build their stadiums for them with tax payer money?

Robert Kraft bought the Patriot stadium and the areas around the new stadium he only went to the Massachusetts legislature to offer a infrastructure plan. at first he was scoffed at and threatened to move the team to Hartford but the legislature gave into his demands. so who wins? the sports team owner so he can pay his teams salary....no matter which way the cheese is cut everyone is always going to cry poor on their part...

 

[redliner]

You take a look at what the kraft family has done around that area and tell me that didn't create jobs...

 

[pjbleek]

You take a look at what the kraft family has done around that area and tell me that didn't create jobs...

Patriot place is great, dont get me wrong but the sh*t he put up with when he wanted to build up that area. no one was living there when he first bought the team that whole area has gotten a rebirth because of the Patriots winning the Super Bowls and the new stadium helped a lot and yet the Red Sox still play in a dump (it is way too old and they should get a new place)

 

[Johnfromokc]

Okay that is bad. I know when I have to eat crow. I agree with you there

Thanks.

That has zip zero nothing to do with this thread. I am just saying minimum wage is there for a reason. People work there way up the salary pole as they grow and become more educated. I didn't mean any offence.

No offense taken. However, I take umbridge with the way the working class in the United States is treated and the fact that the richest country on the planet cannot provide its own citizens with affordable universal health care coverage - but we can by-fuckin-god pay athletes, owners and corporate principals millions at the capital gains tax rate.

Yes, many start working life at minimum wage and work up from it, but currently far too many are mired at the minimum wage level for decades.

All I was refering to was you don't know what jobs these teams do generate. Saying it was just hot dog vendor and beer boys is a retarted statment. I found ignorate the front office and whole organization for a professional sports team is massive. From farm teams to scouts to management.

"retarted statment" - lol....that how they spell retarded in Canada eh?

How much do you think those front office jobs pay? How many of those jobs pay a living wage of say $50,000 or more? I've lived in two cities where the pro sports team debate took place multiple times, and without fail, the jobs are NEVER as plentiful or as lucrative as the owners promise. And always, the city winds up taking it in the keester paying back the bond issue to pay for the billionaire owners sports stadium. These billionaire team owners come into cities and blackball city leaders into building these stadiums in the name of economic stimulus, but rarely does a stadium paid for with tax dollars work out in favor of the working class citizen or the struggling city government.

Yes I did

I appreciate your honesty.

 

[redliner]

Patriot place is great, dont get me wrong but the sh*t he put up with when he wanted to build up that area. no one was living there when he first bought the team that whole area has gotten a rebirth because of the Patriots winning the Super Bowls and the new stadium helped a lot and yet the Red Sox still play in a dump (it is way too old and they should get a new place)

Get rid of fenway ? Your crazy. I have never been so I know nothing about the condition it is in.

 

[redliner]

"retarted statment" - lol....that how they spell retarded in Canada eh?

I should be selling hot dogs the way I type. I have no grammer and the worst spelling. I should actually be a pro athlete.

 

[pjbleek]

Get rid of fenway ? Your crazy. I have never been so I know nothing about the condition it is in.

old and tired...Sox owners want to make it look like it is still going to be around for another hundred years. look how much the Yankees shelled out for their new digs? (Over a billion dollars) you do not know what that place was like before the new ownership came here, embarrassing. yes the new owners have found a new place to put a seat here or there (Monster seats and other places) but to get to see a game at Fenway you might want to take a third mortgage out on the house...its insane...

 

[redliner]

So what your saying is the kids that make there jerseys would not be able to buy even popcorn there ?

 

[Panacea]

I think athletes are generally overpaid, along with actors.

 

[redliner]

Profit margin people ! Profit margin.

 

[pjbleek]

popcorn+soda (or water)= at least $7.00

 

[BornReady]

I think athletes are way over paid but I don't begrudge them for it. People idealize them and spend way too much money on tickets. That's not the athlete's fault. However, I think they should use their fame and fortune to do some good in the world. The athletes that do so have my respect.

Edit: Oops... idolize

 

[freakofnature]

I didn't read the whole thread but here's my 2 cents about the whole thing. In terms of what an athlete actually contributes to society, no, they're probably not worth more than say teachers or doctors. But people seem to be willing to pay a premium to be entertained and this in turn is reflected in an athlete's salary. Who cares if he/she needs that amount of money...if someone can find an employer willing to pay them $10 million per year to throw a ball, more power to them.

I could take this down to a more personal level as well. I have what could probably be considered a "useless" job. I take care of horses that exist for the express purpose of being paraded in front of people to see which one is prettier. It's absolutely pointless. Yet I'm getting paid more than my sister who works in a daycare, which many would agree is a pretty important job. So by that standard I'm probably getting paid more than I'm worth too. In the end I don't think you can judge someone's salary by the importance of their job. It's all about supply and demand. Always has been and always will be.