Assisted Suicide

[Alien Allen]

for religious zealots the only way to die in dignity is to go naturally.

That makes me wanna puke

If somebody is suffering that much it is cruel punishment to make them die as their god so dictates.

 

[Guyzerr]

for religious zealots the only way to die in dignity is to go naturally.

That makes me wanna puke

If somebody is suffering that much it is cruel punishment to make them die as their god so dictates.

:homo:

If there was a God he would help people to get it over with quickly instead of drawing it out for weeks or months at a time.

 

[cam elle toe]

I agree with it being legal, but it would have to be VERY heavily policed and documented by ALL parties involved.

There is too much room for it to be abused.

 

[Zorak]

it would have to be VERY heavily policed and documented by ALL parties involved.

Somehow I don't think that would be a problem in modern society :surrender

It took me days to get a phone contract with all the bureaucracy

 

[BadBoy]

Forcing our loved ones to endure a life of misery is a selfish act and if they so choose to end it, they should be granted such right.

Putting down animals that are suffering is called the "humane" thing to do. Pretty stupid term in my opinion since we don't follow the same code with our own kind.

Note: This is not an endorsement to putting down humans just because they are suffering. However, if they choose to not suffer anymore, they should be allowed this right.

 

[porterjack]

consent is always the issue, when the terminally ill cannot give consent (Terry Schiavo) who decides who has the right to give consent

When the individual is not termianlly ill (Tracey Latimer) who decides
a. How much pain they feel
b. When and how do they die

Is a legal minefield

 

[Panacea]

I was thinking about something similar to the Latimer case yesterday; a client has a severely disabled son. I just...I wondered what kind of life that is. Cannot speak, move more than his head, eat/drink, see...it's horrific.

 

[porterjack]

I was thinking about something similar to the Latimer case yesterday; a client has a severely disabled son. I just...I wondered what kind of life that is. Cannot speak, move more than his head, eat/drink, see...it's horrific.

horrific for the son, or the client? just playing devils advocate here, if you know the latimer case you will understand

 

[Panacea]

horrific for the son, or the client? just playing devils advocate here, if you know the latimer case you will understand

I'm thinking the son, in this case, trying to imagine what it must be like for him to live that way. I suspect our client feels so much guilt for her drug use causing this disability, that she would never feel that way.

 

[Joe the meek]

I suspect our client feels so much guilt for her drug use causing this disability, that she would never feel that way.

Does she still use drugs?

 

[Panacea]

Does she still use drugs?

She's been clean for a couple years

 

[porterjack]

I'm thinking the son, in this case, trying to imagine what it must be like for him to live that way. I suspect our client feels so much guilt for her drug use causing this disability, that she would never feel that way.

we may never know exactly how he feels, i assume he was born with a disability so has no other experience

do you think his mother has a right to decide his fate for him?

 

[Panacea]

we may never know exactly how he feels, i assume he was born with a disability so has no other experience

do you think his mother has a right to decide his fate for him?

Not in this case, as she lost custody and is currently just being given a trial "parentage", so to speak.

 

[Joe the meek]

She's been clean for a couple years

Verified?

I'm guessing DSS isn't actively involved?

 

[porterjack]

Not in this case, as she lost custody and is currently just being given a trial "parentage", so to speak.

ok

let us assume she has full custody and will have for the foreseable future, what then?

I dont want to force you to share your opinion on this if you dont feel comfortable doing so - just say so and i will back off

i am interested in your opinion on whether, based on what you know, the mother should be able to end the boy's life

 

[Panacea]

Verified?

I'm guessing DSS isn't actively involved?

Drug tested as a condition of probation, and monitored by CPS

 

[Panacea]

ok

let us assume she has full custody and will have for the foreseable future, what then?

I dont want to force you to share your opinion on this if you dont feel comfortable doing so - just say so and i will back off

i am interested in your opinion on whether, based on what you know, the mother should be able to end the boy's life

Here's what I will say. I acknowledge the murkiness of euthanasia, in most cases. There is rarely a perfect scenario where one clear decision is made with ease, it appears even the laws are murky. Life presents painful, confusing scenarios and I don't know if there is always a right or even best way to handle them.

I do think a parent is most often the best person to decide something like this for minors, and again, murkiness exists. What if they've abused the child before, what if they have a criminal history, or a mental illness, what if, what if? In the case I have presented, the woman is a criminal and a drug addict. What bearing does that have?

I don't think a parent should be able to pull a Robert Latimer. I do think medical and mental health professionals should be involved in any decision to end a life in this way. Again, what if the professional is wrong?

The core of the issue appears to be one of opinion and likely spiritual opinion. I am not of the belief life is, by default, better than death, and that shapes my opinions. I don't follow a god figure, and that shapes my opinions.

I cannot say what is right or wrong, and I won't attempt to draw too many lines.

 

[porterjack]

Here's what I will say. I acknowledge the murkiness of euthanasia, in most cases. There is rarely a perfect scenario where one clear decision is made with ease, it appears even the laws are murky. Life presents painful, confusing scenarios and I don't know if there is always a right or even best way to handle them.

I do think a parent is most often the best person to decide something like this for minors, and again, murkiness exists. What if they've abused the child before, what if they have a criminal history, or a mental illness, what if, what if? In the case I have presented, the woman is a criminal and a drug addict. What bearing does that have?

I don't think a parent should be able to pull a Robert Latimer. I do think medical and mental health professionals should be involved in any decision to end a life in this way. Again, what if the professional is wrong?

The core of the issue appears to be one of opinion and likely spiritual opinion. I am not of the belief life is, by default, better than death, and that shapes my opinions. I don't follow a god figure, and that shapes my opinions.

I cannot say what is right or wrong, and I won't attempt to draw too many lines.

thanks I think we are on the same page, certainly we are with regard to one Mr Robert Latimer

 

[Peter Parka]

Interesting to note in that documentary that the clip is from, at the beggining, that Dignitas don't allow assisted suicide if the person isn't in complete control of the situation, mentally and physically themself. Also about 1 in 5 people who use the service arn't terminally ill.

 

[satinbutterfly]

I agree with assisted suicide. After all, we can all take our own life anytime we want regardless. Why do we need government regulation of what we can already do freely? Seems a waste of our money to try and regulate something like this.

However, most insurance policies state that in the event of suicide the benefits won't be paid. I would imagine this is why most people decide to suffer to the end. Sad but true.