I'd have to agree with Hans, that life is sacred and should always be kept. It's difficult in terminally-ill cases, but I know miracles can happen (people have been healed miraculously when many doctors said it would never happen), so I would say that DAS should never be allowed.
Assisted Suicide
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yeppers :cool
i'm gettin to that age, tho, where people i know and care about are starting to die....for myself, i've witnessed too many people hanging on to a heartbeat and a breath, while their physical temple is crumbling around them.....
at some point, quality of life -more specifically, quality of interactionn with life, loses all meaning, unless you measure it by medical science's ability to "take us gently into that good night"
and i take great issue with the fact that -in my world, at least- there comes a time when the dying know they're dying....and we, as family and loved ones, hide behind the equipment in the room.....pretending it's the same as " raging against the dying of the light"
it isn't, imo....as the moments tick down, it's time to say goodbye, and to let go....grief begins before death, and pretending it doesn't only aggravates its resolution....
i, for one, will not allow my family to suffer so, or to grasp for some false sense of courage/hope/straws
My view is indifferent about it. Not my place to put my opinion on a matter which is something so personal to the individual.
I can understand that they'd want to be put out of their misery and have their dignity still intact. I also find myself uneasy that it is suicide, yes we're all going to die eventually but I find it slightly discomforting that they'd chose the day they'll die.
I can understand that they'd want to be put out of their misery and have their dignity still intact. I also find myself uneasy that it is suicide, yes we're all going to die eventually but I find it slightly discomforting that they'd chose the day they'll die.
Alien Allen
Froggy the Prick
I live near Kevorkian so this has been a hot topic for some time.
I do not know if I would legalize it but I would decriminalize it.
Mainly because I do not trust the govt enough for them to craft legislation that would deal with all the issues..
My dad died of cancer and there was no hope after the operation. He was given 6 months at best and decided to forgo the chemo. Had he been younger he might have decided otherwise although it would have made no difference. At the age of 85 he had been a healthy and vibrant person and much closer to 70 years old if one met him. To see him wither away was painful. I would have had a hard time letting him pull the plug on himself though.
On the other hand oddly enough I basically did that with my mother. She had complications after a knee replacement at the age of 90. Everything was fine for a week and then she had problems breathing. Ended up having COPD and congestive heart failure. Within a weeks time she reached a point despite a one day turn around where she was in horrible pain trying to get breaths. She knew she was dieing. she said so. One medicine was complicating the other and it reached the point of hopelessness. It was take her off medicine and bump of the morphine to make her comfortable or drag her thru another day or two or three in sheer misery. It was a difficult yet in a way easy decision to make. Within minutes she was in a coma and within a couple hours died.
Point being no two situations are alike. Maybe after seeing my father die as he did it made it clearer as to the choice to make with my mother. The govt can not know how to legislate this. So better to give it a wink and a nod. It happens more than one realizes probably. I am almost sure one of the nurses a couple of days prior to my mothers death gave a subtle hint as to what could be done to end this. She make a very clear statement about where the morophine was put away in a near by drawrer and to make sure not to touch it. we could have easily given a dose and nobody would have been the wiser.
I do not know if I would legalize it but I would decriminalize it.
Mainly because I do not trust the govt enough for them to craft legislation that would deal with all the issues..
My dad died of cancer and there was no hope after the operation. He was given 6 months at best and decided to forgo the chemo. Had he been younger he might have decided otherwise although it would have made no difference. At the age of 85 he had been a healthy and vibrant person and much closer to 70 years old if one met him. To see him wither away was painful. I would have had a hard time letting him pull the plug on himself though.
On the other hand oddly enough I basically did that with my mother. She had complications after a knee replacement at the age of 90. Everything was fine for a week and then she had problems breathing. Ended up having COPD and congestive heart failure. Within a weeks time she reached a point despite a one day turn around where she was in horrible pain trying to get breaths. She knew she was dieing. she said so. One medicine was complicating the other and it reached the point of hopelessness. It was take her off medicine and bump of the morphine to make her comfortable or drag her thru another day or two or three in sheer misery. It was a difficult yet in a way easy decision to make. Within minutes she was in a coma and within a couple hours died.
Point being no two situations are alike. Maybe after seeing my father die as he did it made it clearer as to the choice to make with my mother. The govt can not know how to legislate this. So better to give it a wink and a nod. It happens more than one realizes probably. I am almost sure one of the nurses a couple of days prior to my mothers death gave a subtle hint as to what could be done to end this. She make a very clear statement about where the morophine was put away in a near by drawrer and to make sure not to touch it. we could have easily given a dose and nobody would have been the wiser.
GoldDust Woman
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I'm for it, when it comes to terminal illness. Once the quality of life has changed for the worse, and you know in your heart you've reached the end...then give them the help to leave this world.
i'm not sure about mandatory, but counseling should definately be available....it's easy for me to make MY choice....it might not be so easy for some of my family to accept it
or, in my dad's case, he might have benefitted from some counseling in general.....death was something that scared the bejesus out of him.....he would NEVER have chosen to end his life, but i know there are hospices around that help a person prepare for the inevitable....had he given that idea some consideration, it might have helped him accept it.
Wouldn't that be murder?
Wookiegirl
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Isn't that the debate?
Also, all of us posting (myself included) cannot really say if we should or shouldnt be able to Euthenize people, because none of us have been in that situation (or atleast Id hope not :x). At the moment, death doesnt frighten me since its unavoidable, I think you should live life to the fullest and have no regrets at the end. Yet, when I talk to older people who know many friends who have passed, ALMOST every single one of them would fight kicking and screaming for one more day of life. Its hard to say if you the person in pain is in a mind state from medicine/pain to make a good decision on life or death, at the same time, they are in that pain.
I also thinks that giving up to pain is ALMOST insulting to those who have died fighting the pain trying to live. Obviously its up to the person to decide, but if theres ever a chance at life, even a sub 1% chance, you should not be able to do anything less than not treatig it. If a person wants to let death embrace them naturally, thats their call. However, it should not be accellerated.
I also thinks that giving up to pain is ALMOST insulting to those who have died fighting the pain trying to live. Obviously its up to the person to decide, but if theres ever a chance at life, even a sub 1% chance, you should not be able to do anything less than not treatig it. If a person wants to let death embrace them naturally, thats their call. However, it should not be accellerated.
Alien Allen
Froggy the Prick
should have stopped right there
Like you said can not say unless you have been there.
Your view on death just might get tested one day when you get faced with it or somebody close has.
Three cheers for you if you maintain the same views.
GoldDust Woman
Active Member
I'm seriously biting my tongue here. I think I'll leave the rest to AlienAllen. He gets it.
Y'all be nice, now.
Y'all be nice, now.
That's too great of an assumption to make, as has already been pointed out. I can really say what I believe.
pinkporridge
V.I.Pinkporridge
i am pro assisting if they are suffering and in pain and terminal (whether i would do it or not is a different story) just cos there depressed.. well im against suicide neway... a friend from all way through school hung him self last week and all i can think is.. what a selfish asshole.
Peter Parka
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I am against assisted suicide, not because I dont believe terminally ill people should not be allowed to die with dignity but because of the bigger picture, if it was legal there are too many loopholes where the priveledge could be abused.
Alien Allen
Froggy the Prick
thus my reason to not legalize but decriminalize.
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