Are you in favor with abortion?

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Alien Allen

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I'm against abortion when it's only rationale is for birth control.
In that case, it's the destruction of a human life out of convenience. A planned homicide.

At what point is it a human life is the magic question

Is it a planned homicide to take the morning after pill?

If not then when is it a homicide?

That to me is a real slippery slope because not all fetuses develop the same.
 
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At what point is it a human life is the magic question

Is it a planned homicide to take the morning after pill?

If not then when is it a homicide?

That to me is a real slippery slope because not all fetuses develop the same.
Life starts at conception....no magic....thats science
and yes a morning pill after is homicide if conception occurred.
 

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At what point is it a human life is the magic question

Is it a planned homicide to take the morning after pill?

If not then when is it a homicide?

That to me is a real slippery slope because not all fetuses develop the same.

A human life begins at conception.

Is it a planned homicide to take the morning after pill?

No, The morning after pill prevents conception.
Read this, AA:
http://ec.princeton.edu/questions/ecwork.html

If not then when is it a homicide?
Any time after conception.
 

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There is the morning after pill and what is called the abortion pill

http://ec.princeton.edu/questions/ecnotru.html

I obviously disagree that it is a human life at conception.

I know... You will find all kinds of sources telling me I am wrong. So no need to make the effort doing that.

I would argue at that early stage it fits more in the category of a parasite than a human life.
 

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There is the morning after pill and what is called the abortion pill

http://ec.princeton.edu/questions/ecnotru.html

I obviously disagree that it is a human life at conception.

I know... You will find all kinds of sources telling me I am wrong. So no need to make the effort doing that.

I would argue at that early stage it fits more in the category of a parasite than a human life.
If it is not a human life after conception then what is it.
Parasite ?...a parasite is life.
You have squashed your own argument.
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parasite

n.noun
  1. An organism that grows, feeds, and is sheltered on or in a different organism while contributing nothing to the survival of its host.
 

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The choicers time may be limited if the govt eventually makes a stand.

The Official Senate report on Senate Bill 158, the “Human Life Bill,” summarized the issue this way:


Physicians, biologists, and other scientists agree that conception marks the beginning of the life of a human being—a being that is alive and is a member of the human species. There is overwhelming agreement on this point in countless medical, biological, and scientific writings.8





http://www.naapc.org/why-life-begins-at-conception/
 

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Missouri is stepping up... I believe the law below is the one being used for when the mother uses drugs to the extent it hams the child.

Missouri Revised StatutesChapter 1
Laws in Force and Construction of Statutes
Section 1.205

August 28, 2013


Life begins at conception--unborn child, defined--failure to provide prenatal care, no cause of action for.

1.205. 1. The general assembly of this state finds that:

(1) The life of each human being begins at conception;

(2) Unborn children have protectable interests in life, health, and well-being;

(3) The natural parents of unborn children have protectable interests in the life, health, and well-being of their unborn child.

2. Effective January 1, 1988, the laws of this state shall be interpreted and construed to acknowledge on behalf of the unborn child at every stage of development, all the rights, privileges, and immunities available to other persons, citizens, and residents of this state, subject only to the Constitution of the United States, and decisional interpretations thereof by the United States Supreme Court and specific provisions to the contrary in the statutes and constitution of this state.

3. As used in this section, the term "unborn children" or "unborn child" shall include all unborn child or children or the offspring of human beings from the moment of conception until birth at every stage of biological development.

4. Nothing in this section shall be interpreted as creating a cause of action against a woman for indirectly harming her unborn child by failing to properly care for herself or by failing to follow any particular program of prenatal care.


http://www.moga.mo.gov/statutesearch/StatHtml/0010000205.htm

As we can see legal protections are already there this is an enforcement of those protections.
 

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parasite

n.noun
  1. An organism that grows, feeds, and is sheltered on or in a different organism while contributing nothing to the survival of its host.
Gives her bigger boobs;)
But yes that human life is a parasite in a way..it depends on its mother to make it.
But is a baby a parasite while it is breast feeding by broad defintion ?...and should we have tbe right to kill it when it puts the nipple in its mouth?
 

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There is the morning after pill and what is called the abortion pill

http://ec.princeton.edu/questions/ecnotru.html

I obviously disagree that it is a human life at conception.

I know... You will find all kinds of sources telling me I am wrong. So no need to make the effort doing that.

I would argue at that early stage it fits more in the category of a parasite than a human life.

I obviously disagree that it is a human life at conception.
You have to agree or deny reality.
It's a scientific fact.
Conception establishes self replicating life.

I would argue at that early stage it fits more in the category of a parasite than a human life.
And you would be wrong.
That's merely the sophistry of word play.
In your scenario, a parasite would be of a different genome than a human being by the very definition of what a parasite is.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/parasite
an organism that lives on or in an organism of another species, known as the host, from the body of which it obtains nutriment.
 

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Gives her bigger boobs;)
But yes that human life is a parasite in a way..it depends on its mother to make it.
But is a baby a parasite while it is breast feeding by broad defintion ?...and should we have tbe right to kill it when it puts the nipple in its mouth?
a baby is not a parasite.

it is a living viable being that no longer is attached to an umbilical cord and no longer totally reliant on the mother
 

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a baby is not a parasite.

it is a living viable being that no longer is attached to an umbilical cord and no longer totally reliant on the mother
According to the definition you gave prior a baby sucking nipple is a parasite.
Feeds off the host and contributes nothing...was your definition.
Do you have a source that states a parasite needs to be attached via chord to be a parasite.


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Here is your definition below

parasite

n.noun

1. An organism that grows, feeds, and is sheltered on or in a different organism while contributing nothing to the survival of its host.
 
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in case you missed it breast feeding is not the only way for a baby to get nourishment

unlike many animals that require feeding by the mother to survive humans do not

nice try
 

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in case you missed it breast feeding is not the only way for a baby to get nourishment

unlike many animals that require feeding by the mother to survive humans do not

nice try
So are those baby animals parasites?...when feeding from the mother.
Still awaiting source about being attached by the chord is a parasite.
 

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I would argue at that early stage it fits more in the category of a parasite than a human life.
Why only in the early stages?...werent you making a determination by the umbilical chord earlier.
Is that chord not present in the later stages?...it is.
 

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Abortion - it is the termination of a pregnancy after, accompanied by, or resulting in the death of the embryo or fetus. Merriam-Webster Dictionary.

It's frowned upon by some (most especially the religious people) and is supported by some. Those who are against abortion say that it's murder. Those who are pro abortion say that it fixes unwanted pregnancy and population explosion.

What's your stance regarding abortion?
I'm against abortion that does not cause complications to the host for a very few simple reasons. I think we should institute some sort of Spartan project where we take children and groom them into roles for the Military. I don't think we should rip children from their families though. I only think this should be the solution to orphaned children and would be abortions. Or covert assassins/spies for the CIA.
 

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Slavery to orphans...not much better than Homicide.
Are there any credible stats that show there are significantly more orphans in areas where abortion is illegal verses legal.
None the less homicide is homicide.
An unwanted human is not an excuse for homicide.
 

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I'm strongly against abortion unless the situation is unique, as someone else mentioned, the baby endangers the mother's life.

Other than that, abortion - stealing an innocent's life before they even get to live it, is wrong.
 
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