Another loss for America?

[Maulds]

If you say so, I dont watch him very often. They certainly all deserve to be dragged thru the mud.

 

[Tim]

If you say so, I dont watch him very often. They certainly all deserve to be dragged thru the mud.

:clap

 

[All Else Failed]

Eat the rich!

 

[Maulds]

Protip: You can like you country and still be a critic of it.

Certainly, I'll never challenge that one bit. But I see good things too...I don't think you do. Except the Geico thing.

 

[All Else Failed]

Certainly, I'll never challenge that one bit. But I see good things too...I don't think you do. Except the Geico thing.

I do see good things. I just have problems mainly with the government, foreign policy and some aspects of American culture.

 

[gLing]

Thank you for the transcript Pudding Time.

I have a question about these warrentless wiretaps. Wasn't a bill passed in the 1970s to allow just this in cases of parties within the US communicating with known or suspected terrorists or then soviet spies who are outside the US?
What exactly did bush do to change that?

 

[gLing]

Yeah he hates Bush, but that doesn't make him bias against him. Everything he has to say about Bush is true.

The fact that he openly hates bush makes everything he reports about the man biased.

 

[Pudding Time]

The fact that he openly hates bush makes everything he reports about the man biased.

No, it really doesn't..

 

[Tim]

Thank you for the transcript Pudding Time.

I have a question about these warrentless wiretaps. Wasn't a bill passed in the 1970s to allow just this in cases of parties within the US communicating with known or suspected terrorists or then soviet spies who are outside the US?
What exactly did bush do to change that?

You can find a lot of the answers from this older thread...

http://www.offtopicz.net/21036-warrantless-wiretapping-place-before-9-11-a.html

You can also pickup some good info here NSA warrantless surveillance controversy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[gLing]

No, it really doesn't..

Yes it does. His blind hatred prevents him from making an objective report.
Just because you happen to agree with him does not mean he isn't biased. lol

You can find a lot of the answers from this older thread...

http://www.offtopicz.net/21036-warrantless-wiretapping-place-before-9-11-a.html

You can also pickup some good info here NSA warrantless surveillance controversy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Cool thanks for the links.

 

[dt3]

I have a question about these warrentless wiretaps. Wasn't a bill passed in the 1970s to allow just this in cases of parties within the US communicating with known or suspected terrorists or then soviet spies who are outside the US?
What exactly did bush do to change that?

Yes, it was. The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act was passed in 1978. Here's the exact text of US Code Title 50, section 1802.

a)
(1) Notwithstanding any other law, the President, through the Attorney General, may authorize electronic surveillance without a court order under this subchapter to acquire foreign intelligence information for periods of up to one year if the Attorney General certifies in writing under oath that— (A) the electronic surveillance is solely directed at— (i) the acquisition of the contents of communications transmitted by means of communications used exclusively between or among foreign powers, as defined in section 1801 (a)(1), (2), or (3) of this title; or

Now, you may be wondering "What is the definition of a foreign power?" Well, section 1801 should answer that quite nicely.

As used in this subchapter:
(a) “Foreign power” means— (1) a foreign government or any component thereof, whether or not recognized by the United States;
(2) a faction of a foreign nation or nations, not substantially composed of United States persons;
(3) an entity that is openly acknowledged by a foreign government or governments to be directed and controlled by such foreign government or governments;
(4) a group engaged in international terrorism or activities in preparation therefor;
(5) a foreign-based political organization, not substantially composed of United States persons; or
(6) an entity that is directed and controlled by a foreign government or governments.

Prior to Bush, nothing beyond section (3) existed. So, essentially, Bush expanded the ALREADY EXISTING WARRANTLESS WIRETAPPING PROGRAM to include terrorists.

This is my understanding, based on the crash course I just gave myself.

So, in summation, when a Democrat (Carter) authorizes warrantless wiretapping, it's ok. When a Republican (Bush) includes terrorists in the program, it's wrong.

 

[FreeWorkVest]

Attorney General certifies in writing under oath that This is the part that was taken out for President Bush. They can listeen to anyone for any reason and without and justification for it.

 

[gLing]

Yes, it was. The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act was passed in 1978. Here's the exact text of US Code Title 50, section 1802.



Now, you may be wondering "What is the definition of a foreign power?" Well, section 1801 should answer that quite nicely.



Prior to Bush, nothing beyond section (3) existed. So, essentially, Bush expanded the ALREADY EXISTING WARRANTLESS WIRETAPPING PROGRAM to include terrorists.

This is my understanding, based on the crash course I just gave myself.

So, in summation, when a Democrat (Carter) authorizes warrantless wiretapping, it's ok. When a Republican (Bush) includes terrorists in the program, it's wrong.

So in other words it has always been there and Bush just made it to include terrorist organizations and since such organizations are not foreign governments, people are throwing a fit and claiming it is violating rights to privacy.
Is that about it?

 

[dt3]

So in other words it has always been there and Bush just made it to include terrorist organizations and since such organizations are not foreign governments, people are throwing a fit and claiming it is violating rights to privacy.
Is that about it?

That's my understanding from what I read. To be honest, I had never read up on any of it. But that's my conclusion from about half an hour of reading about the history of it.

 

[Pudding Time]

Yes it does. His blind hatred prevents him from making an objective report.
Just because you happen to agree with him does not mean he isn't biased. lol

Like it's already been said. Olbermann doesn't hold back on the democrats. He doesn't hold back on anyone if they do something wrong. He's not bias against Bush at all.


Also, what's with the "lol" after every single post?

 

[gLing]

I guess that means my mom doesn't have to worry about the NSA listening in when she is gossiping on the phone with her friends. lol

 

[Pudding Time]

That's my understanding from what I read. To be honest, I had never read up on any of it. But that's my conclusion from about half an hour of reading about the history of it.

Did the AT&T whistle blower not reveal that the government was recording EVERYONE's phone calls and internet usage?

 

[gLing]

Like it's already been said. Olbermann doesn't hold back on the democrats. He doesn't hold back on anyone if they do something wrong. He's not bias against Bush at all.


Also, what's with the "lol" after every single post?

I lol when I find what people say is funny.
Something else that is funny I see a lot claim that FOX news is biased yet when I watch it I see them go after bush and republicans when they do wrong.

 

[Pudding Time]

I lol when I find what people say is funny.
Something else that is funny I see a lot claim that FOX news is biased yet when I watch it I see them go after bush and republicans when they do wrong.

You're not claiming that Fox News is not biased, are you?

LOL!

 

[gLing]

You're not claiming that Fox News is not biased, are you?

LOL!

They are as biased as any other news outlet. The only difference is they are not biased in the same direction as you are.

In fact when it comes to politics most of the media is biased towards democrats.

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