and they say not to bring back hanging

[AnitaBeer]

Maybe you should take an interest in the topic your debating. Instead of coming in here and making uninformed and factually baseless statements.



Maybe if you knew some facts about the subject, you might just have a different view altogether.



I have put forth my opinion on this subject. I have based them on fact and my knowledge of the criminal justice system.

And, I have also put forth my opinion on your views. You have made no effort to look at simple facts before you state your opinion, and you even mention yourself that you have failed to take them into account.

That therefore, makes your views sound very unintelligent and warped.

Sorry to be so harsh. But I'm just being honest with you.

You know I actually edited because I didn't want to seem rude, but it's all good you got the post before I edited.

However, the fact still remains you should never get into a debate if you can't accept the fact others will have different opinions and you will not be able to change those views.

BTW this isn't an opinion I based yesterday. I have in the past studied bits of the criminal justice system. No I don't have a degree and I don't know everything about it, but this opinion was formed years ago. I stated I do not know everything today and nor do I care to know at this point.

Also please tell me where to find fact on whether or not something like this would actually work...seeings how it's not been done and all. HMM I'm talking about in the United States. Don't tell me to go look up info under a 3rd world country that has no idea how to run a justic system as we do today.

 

[Meirionnydd]

Like tell me how you know that the severety of a punishment doesn't matter when the world hasn't tried something like this?

Well, that little sentence I put in was one quoted by the very renown and famous, Cesare Beccaria, he wrote the essay 'Dei delitti e delle pene' (On crime and punishments). His works contributed to many legal reforms in the 18th century, he was the first to advocate a penal system to deal with offenders, rather than just punishing them.

 

[AnitaBeer]

Being in jail just isn't about punishment you know.

EXACTLY! Where is the punishment for these murders? If being in jail isn't a punishment when do they get theirs?

 

[Meirionnydd]

You know I actually edited because I didn't want to seem rude, but it's all good you got the post before I edited.

However, the fact still remains you should never get into a debate if you can't accept the fact others will have different opinions and you will not be able to change those views.

BTW this isn't an opinion I based yesterday. I have in the past studied bits of the criminal justice system. No I don't have a degree and I don't know everything about it, but this opinion was formed years ago. I stated I do not know everything today and nor do I care to know at this point.

I totally respect you opinion, I might disagree with it, but I still respect it. And yes, I was a little harsh in my rebuttal. For that I apologise.

I think the 'No I don't know what the stats are' might of touched a nerve

If you agree with the death penalty, that's completely acceptable, many people do. I disagree however.

 

[Peter Parka]

Same thing for you thought Peter if you think it's hell how about you commit a crime and go sit in there.

This makes absolutely no sense at all. Oh, and I have been to prison before anyway and it isn't the utopia you describe though I guess you know more about it than someone with first hand experience.

 

[AnitaBeer]

This makes absolutely no sense at all. Oh, and I have been to prison before anyway and it isn't the utopia you describe though I guess you know more about it than someone with first hand experience.

Did I say Utopia did I say their lives are perfect in prison? Hell no. I don't believe they have a great life in prison but I don't believe that prisioners have it hard enough. Oh and BTW you were in prision and not jail? Jail is a bit different. Jail is where people are placed for shorter amounts of time for less sever crimes. Like drunk driving offenses, to many non insurance tickets, hell even a buddy of mine was in jail (whom I visited every week and got a great idea that other than missing his friends and family that it's not hell in there) was thrown just in jail for a high speed car chase, no insurance, and being under the effects of alcohol at the time.

I don't base my decisions off of nothing. I have heard both sides from people who have been in prison and those who have been in jail.

What I said makes perfect sense to those who believe the same as I. To someone who doesn't then it's no big deal, but it still remains my opinion that their life isn't that bad in prison.

 

[Meirionnydd]

Also please tell me where to find fact on whether or not something like this would actually work...seeings how it's not been done and all.

If you look at data trends on homicide in different jurisdictions before and after they abolished (or implemented) capital punishment, you will see that the death penalty does not influence the rate of homicide.

If you compare homicide statistics with places with and without the death penalty, you'll see that there is really no difference either.

HMM I'm talking about in the United States. Don't tell me to go look up info under a 3rd world country that has no idea how to run a justic system as we do today.

I would contend that the United States doesn't exactly have the best system implemented either.

 

[AnitaBeer]

I would contend that the United States doesn't exactly have the best system implemented either.

I do agree with that. But since I'm in the US I was trying to keep it based off the US and I guess I didn't take into consideration where others that are posting from.

 

[Peter Parka]

Did I say Utopia did I say their lives are perfect in prison? Hell no.

You seem to have trouble remembering what you wrote so let me remind you.

No I don't know what the stats are. But who says that if we didn't get rid of the sick fuckers that it wouldn't? People would realize they won't get a free ride in that heavenly place called prison..they got a straight ticket to hell...or wherever they believe they will be going.

I don't believe they have a great life in prison but I don't believe that prisioners have it hard enough. Oh and BTW you were in prision and not jail? Jail is a bit different. Jail is where people are placed for shorter amounts of time for less sever crimes. Like drunk driving offenses, to many non insurance tickets, hell even a buddy of mine was in jail (whom I visited every week and got a great idea that other than missing his friends and family that it's not hell in there) was thrown just in jail for a high speed car chase, no insurance, and being under the effects of alcohol at the time.

I don't base my decisions off of nothing. I have heard both sides from people who have been in prison and those who have been in jail.

What I said makes perfect sense to those who believe the same as I. To someone who doesn't then it's no big deal, but it still remains my opinion that their life isn't that bad in prison.

What the hell are you talking about? Jai and prison are the same thing. To break it down simply for you as you seem to have trouble with your understanding of basic things, I was locked in an 8 by 12 cell and had to share with people who had committed all sorts of different crimes, from driving with no license and doing a few weeks to murderers doing life.

 

[AnitaBeer]

The heavely was a sarcastic term I used I also followed with examples of what I feel are not punishments for others. Peter you really don't have an argument towards the jail and prison with me because they are two different things. I am well aware of what a prison is compared to a jail. Things might be different where you are from, but here we have both and they are in two seperate buildings. Primarily, the difference is that a jail is used by local jurisdictions such as counties and cities to confine people for short periods of time. A prison, or penitentiary, is administered by the state, and is used to house convicted criminals for periods of much longer duration.

 

[Makedde]

i really think it should be thought about........another example of lawless britain

Man stabbed on way to visit newborn son - Yahoo! News UK

I heard about this on the news. So sad. I don't believe in a death penalty, but a nice cell for the rest of his life sounds good to me.:thumbup