An Idea to Provide Free Healthcare

Users who are viewing this thread

Accountable

Well-Known Member
Messages
6,962
Reaction score
1
Tokenz
0.00z
Yeah - a little kid with strep throat is just like a shrapnel or gunshot wound.
Soldiers get strep throat. Civilians get shot. Little kids are in war zones.

No - they just want Americans to have the same access to health care that you do with Tricare.
and make wearing seatbelts mandatory, dictate who may or may not marry & may or may not adopt children, insulate big business from risk, subsidize mortgages for the financially irresponsible, etc etc etc

Those are the very people (the military-industrial-banking oligarchy) you are enabling with your conservo-libertarian "flat tax" "fair tax" philosophy.
I'm just working with reality. Everybody here knows what I'd prefer ............. correction: everybody here has read what I prefer, and some just can't make it fit their preconceptions & so refuse to acknowledge it.
 
  • 31
    Replies
  • 541
    Views
  • 0
    Participant count
    Participants list

Johnfromokc

Active Member
Messages
3,226
Reaction score
0
Tokenz
0.00z
Soldiers get strep throat. Civilians get shot. Little kids are in war zones.

Fine. Take your family to the local combat medic instead of a doctor then.

and make wearing seatbelts mandatory,

So you are against universal health care, but for laws that incourage irresponsibility resulting in even higher health care costs to the rest of us?

dictate who may or may not marry & may or may not adopt children, insulate big business from risk, subsidize mortgages for the financially irresponsible, etc etc etc

But this is exactly what conservo-libertarianism espouses for the most part.

I'm just working with reality.

Hardly. Reality as you seem to see it is not necessarily reality from a common sense stand point.

Everybody here knows what I'd prefer ............. correction: everybody here has read what I prefer, and some just can't make it fit their preconceptions & so refuse to acknowledge it.

You want your version of conservo-libertarianism where the billionaire pays the same tax as a teacher. That is nothing more than the oligarchy system we have now with the capital gains tax law.

It makes zero sense that those who benefit the most from our infrastructure shelter more of their income from taxation than the wage earning producer that made them rich.

Why do you support policy that coddles the wealthiest?

Anybody can have what I have. They only have to do what I've done.

You went in the Air Force and got a government pay check and taxpayer funded Socialist benefits for 20 years. So now you get Socialized medicine, but nobody else should unless they got a taxpayer funded paycheck for 20 years?
 

Stone

Well-Known Member
Messages
5,186
Reaction score
54
Tokenz
0.00z
A human body is a human body. Trauma is trauma. Emergency situations can't be simulated. Really helping real people is better.


Republocrats want to coddle all Americans - provide healthcare, make their decisions for them, protect them from risk and harm.

Republocrats want to maintain the ability to decapitate any country that irritates them - Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Iran, next enemy TBD by the corporate sponsors.

A human body is a human body. Trauma is trauma. Emergency situations can't be simulated. Really helping real people is better.

jibber jabber.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Reed_Army_Medical_Center_neglect_scandal

It stinks now and has in the past.
I wouldn't want any of my family to be subjected to it, nor any one else's.


Republocrats want to coddle all Americans - provide healthcare, make their decisions for them, protect them from risk and harm.
I'm still relatively new to this forum......(Republocrats) .... what the hell does that translate to? ( :p )



Republocrats want to maintain the ability to decapitate any country that irritates them - Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Iran, next enemy TBD by the corporate sponsors.

You're some kind of a libertarian, admit it :D
 

Accountable

Well-Known Member
Messages
6,962
Reaction score
1
Tokenz
0.00z
Fine. Take your family to the local combat medic instead of a doctor then.
Rather than making up objections so that you can disagree, try opening your mind to discuss possible common ground. I know it's outside your comfort zone, but that really is my intent of the thread - to find common ground.

So you are against universal health care, but for laws that incourage irresponsibility resulting in even higher health care costs to the rest of us?
I'm not for a law requiring that we don't wear seatbelts, silly. I am against any laws designed to protect an individual from himself. I equate it to all this bailout crap. People need to take responsibility for their own actions. *cue John's Holy outrage*

But this is exactly what conservo-libertarianism espouses for the most part.
Yup. See why I buck when you try to cram me into your little preconceived categories?

Those are the very people (the military-industrial-banking oligarchy) you are enabling with your conservo-libertarian "flat tax" "fair tax" philosophy.
I'm just working with reality.
Hardly. Reality as you seem to see it is not necessarily reality from a common sense stand point.
I'm agreeing with your own description. That's what I'm calling reality. The oligarchy is controlling the game for now, so I'm looking for some common ground within the confines of that game. Like you, I'd love to get rid of the oligarchy. Until then, we play the hand we're dealt.

Everybody here knows what I'd prefer ............. correction: everybody here has read what I prefer, and some just can't make it fit their preconceptions & so refuse to acknowledge it.
You want your version of conservo-libertarianism where the billionaire pays the same tax as a teacher. That is nothing more than the oligarchy system we have now with the capital gains tax law.
I rest my case.

John, you're so wrong I think I'll accuse you of lying. You're lying, John and you know it. The capital gains tax is not the same rate as regular income. You know this. Yes, I do want the billionaire to pay the same tax as a teacher. Currently the billionaire pays less, isn't that right?

It makes zero sense that those who benefit the most from our infrastructure shelter more of their income from taxation than the wage earning producer that made them rich.
I agree, which is why I quite clearly stated repeatedly that I would like to see all income taxed the same, regardless of the source.

Why do you support policy that coddles the wealthiest?
Why to you masterbate on public buses?

You went in the Air Force and got a government pay check and taxpayer funded Socialist benefits for 20 years.
You lie again, John. This is becoming a habit.

So now you get Socialized medicine,
You lie again, John. This is becoming a habit.

but nobody else should unless they got a taxpayer funded paycheck for 20 years?
No one should get employer-paid benefits unless they work for that employer and fulfill their responsibilities as an employee.
 

Accountable

Well-Known Member
Messages
6,962
Reaction score
1
Tokenz
0.00z
jibber jabber.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Reed_Army_Medical_Center_neglect_scandal

It stinks now and has in the past.
I wouldn't want any of my family to be subjected to it, nor any one else's.
I've never been to Walter Reed, but my beloved and I regularly visit military medical facilities in San Antonio. We're not complaining, except that we just had to wait 3 weeks for an MRI.

I was just offering up an alternative way to keep medical troops' skills sharp in peacetime so that we don't have to manufacture any more wars. Since the repubs under bush expanded Medicare and the mantra now is 'repeal and replace,' it's clear that the gov't will take over medicine regardless of which side of The Party is in the White House. Since the dems are as anxious to continue the policy of global regime-change as the repubs, it's clear that the military will continue to expand as well. Status quo. This conversation will never get past the hypothetical in the foreseeable future anyway.

I'm still relatively new to this forum......(Republocrats) .... what the hell does that translate to? ( :p )
It's my way of merging repubs and dems, since they're really one cooperative body anyway.

You're some kind of a libertarian, admit it :D
Small 'L', you got me. :D
 

Johnfromokc

Active Member
Messages
3,226
Reaction score
0
Tokenz
0.00z
Rather than making up objections so that you can disagree, try opening your mind to discuss possible common ground. I know it's outside your comfort zone, but that really is my intent of the thread - to find common ground.

Sorry - not going to agree with you all the time. Why don't you open your mind to universal health care like Australia has? Their system works - why reinvent the wheel?

I'm not for a law requiring that we don't wear seatbelts, silly. I am against any laws designed to protect an individual from himself. I equate it to all this bailout crap. People need to take responsibility for their own actions. *cue John's Holy outrage*

Sometimes you lack common sense bordering dumbassery. So - these non-helment/seatbelt wearers should die if they have an accident then?

Yup. See why I buck when you try to cram me into your little preconceived categories?

No - because you fit the conservo-libertarian mold. Sorry - thats the way it is.

I'm agreeing with your own description. That's what I'm calling reality. The oligarchy is controlling the game for now, so I'm looking for some common ground within the confines of that game. Like you, I'd love to get rid of the oligarchy. Until then, we play the hand we're dealt.

Conservo-libertarianism will give the oligarchy an even tighter hold economically. Like it or not, some good old fashioned liberalism is what we need to level the playing field.

I rest my case.

WTF are you talking about?

John, you're so wrong I think I'll accuse you of lying. You're lying, John and you know it. The capital gains tax is not the same rate as regular income. You know this. Yes, I do want the billionaire to pay the same tax as a teacher. Currently the billionaire pays less, isn't that right?

I want EVERYONE to be on the progressive tax scale.

I agree, which is why I quite clearly stated repeatedly that I would like to see all income taxed the same, regardless of the source.

You mean the same as in everyone pays the progressive scale or everyone pays the same percentage regardless of income?

Why to you masterbate on public buses?

Why do you fuck your mother?

You lie again, John. This is becoming a habit.

You lie again, John. This is becoming a habit.

You say stupid shit. This is becoming a habit. You say stupid shit. This is becoming a habit.

You told me you were in the Air Force for 20 years. Did you lie about that?

No one should get employer-paid benefits unless they work for that employer and fulfill their responsibilities as an employee.

How fucked up, ignorant, selfish and just plain old stupid is this statement? According to this logic, then military members should not recieve health care until they go to combat and get wounded. Yet another reason health care should NEVER be tied to employment.
 

Tim

Having way too much fun
Valued Contributor
Messages
13,518
Reaction score
43
Tokenz
111.11z
Have you looked at the numbers?

How many medical personnel does the US military now employ?
How many would it take to even make a difference in the country?

I for one would much rather drastically reduce the number of military personnel and use the savings to provide universal health care to all citizens. Why go about it in an indirect way?
 

palzz

New Member
Messages
30
Reaction score
0
Tokenz
0.00z
HOUSECALLS - socialist england + Grmany have them. 46 nations outlive us.

An MRI costs $100 in socialized Japanese healthcare but $2,000+ here.

Our healthcare attracts greedheads into Med School - exactly the worst sort of guys you want when you are ill. And remember, the personality of the greedhead often includes sadism. (Freud's "anal-sadist" type). Want a sadist at your bedside?

ER's in the US make you, sick you, sit in a chair and wait 4 hours - how does that help end an illness? More staff would cut the wait to ZERO.

- adding more staff in ER's would produce improvement.

Just like some groceries' checkout times are very short, due to having more cashiers .

Hospitals are fattening some fat guy's fat bankroll by forcing you to wait....and wait. Even tho you are sick. What sort of person does that to the sick?
 
Last edited by a moderator:

Accountable

Well-Known Member
Messages
6,962
Reaction score
1
Tokenz
0.00z
John wants taxpayer-funded healthcare for all. I want our massive military empire dismantled and replaced with a force to defend our shores & borders and assist our allies when they are overwhelmed, rather than defending them while they spend their defense funds on their welfare state.

My proposal: Distribute our military medical corps throughout the nation to provide taxpayer-funded emergency and trauma services. It can be in established hospitals or rejuvenating failed ones. There are infinite options. The point is that we can keep a military medical corps trained in real-world trauma situations while provided needed services to people who can least afford it.

Whatcha think?

Have you looked at the numbers?

How many medical personnel does the US military now employ?
How many would it take to even make a difference in the country?

I for one would much rather drastically reduce the number of military personnel and use the savings to provide universal health care to all citizens. Why go about it in an indirect way?
My proposal wasn't to replace the entire national medical system, it was only to put the military in CONUS hospitals rather than spread out over the world. You're right, though. It probably wouldn't make much of a dent.
 

Stone

Well-Known Member
Messages
5,186
Reaction score
54
Tokenz
0.00z
Re: HOUSECALLS - socialist england + Grmany have them. 46 nations outlive us.

An MRI costs $100 in socialized Japanese healthcare but $2,000+ here.

Our healthcare attracts greedheads into Med School - exactly the worst sort of guys you want when you are ill. And remember, the personality of the greedhead often includes sadism. (Freud's "anal-sadist" type). Want a sadist at your bedside?

ER's in the US make you, sick you, sit in a chair and wait 4 hours - how does that help end an illness? More staff would cut the wait to ZERO.

- adding more staff in ER's would produce improvement.

Just like some groceries' checkout times are very short, due to having more cashiers .

Hospitals are fattening some fat guy's fat bankroll by forcing you to wait....and wait. Even tho you are sick. What sort of person does that to the sick?



Our healthcare attracts greedheads into Med School
Med school applicants are on the decline and doctor's wages are on decline.
Just so you can't claim I'm cherry picking:
Decline in med school applicants
http://www.google.com/search?q=decline+in+med+school&btnG=Search&sclient=psy-ab&hl=en&site=&source=hp&gbv=1&sei=ngIcT5OlB6rX0QGHw9C-DA]LINK
Decline in Doctor's wages:
http://www.google.com/search?sclien...urce=hp&q=decline+in+doctor+wages&btnG=Search


And remember, the personality of the greedhead often includes sadism.
I have a feeling I wouldn't want to use any of your referrals. :24:


ER's in the US make you, sick you, sit in a chair and wait 4 hours
Some do.......
Maybe it's your demeanor?

(Freud's "anal-sadist" type). Want a sadist at your bedside?
I can see life's been hard for you.


adding more staff in ER's would produce improvement.
I agree many hospitals are understaffed and over worked.
But, correcting that is an issue that drives up medical costs and you're anti-"greedhead" and argue to pay less. A major contradiction.


Just like some groceries' checkout times are very short, due to having more cashiers .
And yet I'll bet you'd bitch about hospital greedheads not doing enough intensive diagnostics in an emergency and releasing you too soon.









BTW........I agree that our healthcare system is a mess .
 
78,874Threads
2,185,387Messages
4,959Members
Back
Top