An Idea to Provide Free Healthcare

[Accountable]

John wants taxpayer-funded healthcare for all. I want our massive military empire dismantled and replaced with a force to defend our shores & borders and assist our allies when they are overwhelmed, rather than defending them while they spend their defense funds on their welfare state.

My proposal: Distribute our military medical corps throughout the nation to provide taxpayer-funded emergency and trauma services. It can be in established hospitals or rejuvenating failed ones. There are infinite options. The point is that we can keep a military medical corps trained in real-world trauma situations while provided needed services to people who can least afford it.

Whatcha think?

 

[Johnfromokc]

Follow the Austrailian model. Problem solved. It's that simple.

 

[Accountable]

Does the Australian model mimic my idea? If not, I'd rather discuss the OP, at least beyond the first post.

 

[Johnfromokc]

Does the Australian model mimic my idea? If not, I'd rather discuss the OP, at least beyond the first post.

Nope. I don't much like your idea. No offense, just know the australian model works. No need to reinvent the wheel.

Carry on.

 

[Accountable]

Why don't you like my idea? Critique it on the merits, not just because it's not your idea. That would be prejudiced.

 

[Alien Allen]

Which Euro country makes one buy the health care yourself? With a govt subsidy.

That is the one I would look towards for a model.

Having said that we do have a system in place. Medicare......... Not sure if people would be happy with the service and coverage if it applied to everybody if there was that great of an expansion. It is not self funding as is so how do we pay for it?

 

[Alien Allen]

Back to the topic

That is an interesting concept.

Would it be for just general care in your mind I take it?

The first line of attack when sick?

Kind of like a primary care doctor?

 

[Accountable]

Back to the topic

That is an interesting concept.

Would it be for just general care in your mind I take it?

The first line of attack when sick?

Kind of like a primary care doctor?

The medics, docs, & nurses need to keep their skills sharp, and they need to be sharpest during combat. That means traumatic injury. I see the federal gov't/military taking over ER's. Beyond that, they could also man the VA hospitals & such, opening them for the local poor as well. It's real-world training & practice for people who will need to be their best under fire.

 

[banned]

Which Euro country makes one buy the health care yourself? With a govt subsidy.

That is the one I would look towards for a model.

Having said that we do have a system in place. Medicare......... Not sure if people would be happy with the service and coverage if it applied to everybody if there was that great of an expansion. It is not self funding as is so how do we pay for it?

For me medicare is a socialist system....this is good info to read>>>http://www.commonwealthfund.org/~/m...Nov/1562_Squires_Intl_Profiles_2011_11_10.pdf

 

[HK]

What would happen when these medics working in general hospitals then get called up? Wouldn't that leave the public with a shortage of doctors/nurses etc?

I ask because I assume there'd be no point in hospitals having (and paying) double the trauma team they actually need, but when the military staff are needed elsewhere who would step in to pick up the slack?

 

[Accountable]

What would happen when these medics working in general hospitals then get called up? Wouldn't that leave the public with a shortage of doctors/nurses etc?

I ask because I assume there'd be no point in hospitals having (and paying) double the trauma team they actually need, but when the military staff are needed elsewhere who would step in to pick up the slack?

The hospitals wouldn't be paying anything because the personnel would be active duty military. If anything, the gov't would probably lease the space, knowing how congressmen love to spend taxes to buy votes. Personnel would be beefed up during peacetime, and they never deploy everybody. The military hospitals worldwide are never shut down due to doctors being deployed to support a war. If extra hands are needed, there are always contractors and Reserve troops.

 

[BornReady]

How does the military currently train medics?

 

[Accountable]

How does the military currently train medics?

I'm not completely sure. I know that we have war games that they're involved in. The military has several major medical centers in different parts of the world as well. San Antonio has a couple of huge military hospitals.

 

[Alien Allen]

I have no idea about the numbers but I have always felt if you legalized pot and sold it like booze that between the cost savings on the war on that drug and the revenue on taxing that drug it would more than pay for itself

 

[Stone]

I have no idea about the numbers but I have always felt if you legalized pot and sold it like booze that between the cost savings on the war on that drug and the revenue on taxing that drug it would more than pay for itself

I've always felt that the air quality would be a lot worse in your area...... :24:


Morning Mr Barbarian

 

[Stone]

John wants taxpayer-funded healthcare for all. I want our massive military empire dismantled and replaced with a force to defend our shores & borders and assist our allies when they are overwhelmed, rather than defending them while they spend their defense funds on their welfare state.

My proposal: Distribute our military medical corps throughout the nation to provide taxpayer-funded emergency and trauma services. It can be in established hospitals or rejuvenating failed ones. There are infinite options. The point is that we can keep a military medical corps trained in real-world trauma situations while provided needed services to people who can least afford it.

Whatcha think?

Realistically, it's just another slant on socialism and the medical services of the armed forces haven't exactly been known for the same quality as the civilian sector.
Bad idea, imo.

 

[Accountable]

Realistically, it's just another slant on socialism and the medical services of the armed forces haven't exactly been known for the same quality as the civilian sector.
Bad idea, imo.

Meh. Better bad healthcare than no healthcare. Better real-world experience than simulated exercise. The ideal of free market medical care - which would very quickly and drastically cut prices and make it more affordable for more people - is out of reach right now. This is a win-win proposal for those republocrats who want to coddle all Americans (except the ones that pay for the coddling) while still maintaining the ability to decapitate any country that irritates them.

 

[Stone]

Meh. Better bad healthcare than no healthcare. Better real-world experience than simulated exercise. The ideal of free market medical care - which would very quickly and drastically cut prices and make it more affordable for more people - is out of reach right now. This is a win-win proposal for those republocrats who want to coddle all Americans (except the ones that pay for the coddling) while still maintaining the ability to decapitate any country that irritates them.

Better bad healthcare than no healthcare.

As an absolute, of course.
But healthcare does exist, the problem is that the low income segment is being priced out.
Your suggestion merely degrades what exists and as efficient as the military is in spending, I doubt there would be any real savings.

Better real-world experience than simulated exercise.

That's your argument?
It defeats your position........a simulated exercise would be the modeling of military healthcare to deal in a civilian setting. Different concerns.

The ideal of free market medical care - which would very quickly and drastically cut prices and make it more affordable for more people - is out of reach right now.

In the shadow of a recession/depression......indeed.

This is a win-win proposal for those republocrats who want to coddle all Americans (except the ones that pay for the coddling) while still maintaining the ability to decapitate any country that irritates them.

Perhaps you could clarify that statement?

 

[Accountable]

a simulated exercise would be the modeling of military healthcare to deal in a civilian setting. Different concerns.

A human body is a human body. Trauma is trauma. Emergency situations can't be simulated. Really helping real people is better.

Perhaps you could clarify that statement?

Republocrats want to coddle all Americans - provide healthcare, make their decisions for them, protect them from risk and harm.

Republocrats want to maintain the ability to decapitate any country that irritates them - Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Iran, next enemy TBD by the corporate sponsors.

 

[Johnfromokc]

A human body is a human body. Trauma is trauma. Emergency situations can't be simulated. Really helping real people is better.

Yeah - a little kid with strep throat is just like a shrapnel or gunshot wound.

Republocrats want to coddle all Americans - provide healthcare, make their decisions for them, protect them from risk and harm.

No - they just want Americans to have the same access to health care that you do with Tricare.

Republocrats want to maintain the ability to decapitate any country that irritates them - Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Iran, next enemy TBD by the corporate sponsors.

Those are the very people (the military-industrial-banking oligarchy) you are enabling with your conservo-libertarian "flat tax" "fair tax" philosophy.