American Terroism or just plain condoned Murder?

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Was Ghandi wrong?
Ghandi fought against a foreign powerto obtain self-rule. We already did that. Apples and oranges. But to answer your question, no he wasn't wrong. I'm pretty sure he was more than willing to pay the consequences of breaking the law, though, so he's a shining example of my point.
 
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There is an incredible amount of perspective that determines if by your actions you are a hero or a terrorist. It is an outstanding comparison to discuss. If your people feel occupied and oppressed, blowing up the enemy would make you a hero as there are no innocent enemy. What does wiping out a wedding party with a cruise missile qualify the perpetrators as?
You're wrong, but there's no chance in hell I'm getting drawn in to this debate, with you or anyone else. Terrorists do not get placed in the same category as our military.
 

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You're wrong, but there's no chance in hell I'm getting drawn in to this debate, with you or anyone else. Terrorists do not get placed in the same category as our military.

Then don't, and I did not say our military are in the same category as terrorists (from our perspective) but they are in the perspective of others. Any hope of moving away from outright conflict requires open minded mediators who can see both sides of the conflict.

BTW, people who have been labeled terrorists in Iraq for fighting the U.S. military in my mind are in a completely different category then those who flew into the Twin Towers. The latter are mass murderers. AlQueda operatives are outright terrorists. The former (Iraqi resistance) depending on their attacks may or may not be.
 

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Ghandi fought against a foreign powerto obtain self-rule. We already did that. Apples and oranges. But to answer your question, no he wasn't wrong. I'm pretty sure he was more than willing to pay the consequences of breaking the law, though, so he's a shining example of my point.

As you mentioned, the American Revolution, a bunch of law breakers who founded this country. Most in the U.S. would agree with that bit of law breaking. :)
 

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I am VERY anti-abortion, but also VERY against what this guy did. Can't believe that you all think that *most* anti-abortion people would be applauding MURDER! Definitely not - time to get your facts straight. Just because we don't like what the other people's beliefs are doesn't mean we're going to kill them over it! Well, except for a few extremists like this guy, but people like that exist on both sides.

I, and the vast majority of other anti-abortion people, do NOT condone killing, except when it is necessary in self-defense (both as a nation and as a person).


:clap:clap but let me add that i believe in the death penalty as well
 

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Adding to Peter's comment, doesn't it depend on if you consider a law to be just or unjust? And how many people share your feelings?

As you mentioned, the American Revolution, a bunch of law breakers who founded this country. Most in the U.S. would agree with that bit of law breaking. :)
Ah, now we're getting there. The unjust law isn't the only one that's being broken, is it? In fact, the unjust law in this case, the one allowing late-term abortions, was not broken at all. Because this guy thought the abortion law, more accurately the act of aborting even under the law, was unjust, he broke a law that even he would agree was JUST.

The laws Ghandi (& MLK and the like) broke were actually the unjust laws they sought to overturn, weren't they? So there's no real comparison here.

A revolution attempts to overturn the very framework that establishes and enforces law, replacing it with another. This murderer doesn't fit that either.

This is fun! :)
 

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Nope that just means you assumed that I put them all in the same group, because I didn't specify anything.
Let me show you exactly what you said then, since you can't seem to remember.

This is so freaking ironic. Pro-lifers are pro-LIFE correct? why the fuck are they killing to get what they want now...?
You said "Pro-lifers are pro-LIFE correct?"

How can I assume that you do not mean all pro-lifers (or at the very least most) by that statement, when you do not specify?

After all, that is the natural assumption. If I said, "murderers are criminals," then you could assume that I mean all murderers, or at least the vast majority of murderers, are criminals. Not that I meant just a few murderers are criminals. If I meant just a few, I would have specified, and if you meant just a few, you should have specified. ;)
 

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Because this guy thought the abortion law, more accurately the act of aborting even under the law, was unjust, he broke a law that even he would agree was JUST.

The law he broke was murdering someone. It's up to some majority of society to judge his action on it's merits or lack there of.
 

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The law he broke was murdering someone. It's up to some majority of society to judge his action on it's merits or lack there of.
Right. He broke a law he presumably agrees with, to improve a society he presumably supports. So (1) he's nothing like Ghandi or the American revolutionairies, and (2) Pleading not guilty and trying to make some excuse would be supremely hypocritical, wouldn't it?
 

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I think its rather funny that most of the pro-lifers I've met are some of the staunchest death penalty supporters.
Yeah, and the flip-side is that most pro-choicer's are for killing fetuses, but opposed to killing convicted serial rapists. :rolleyes:
 
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