Ali wanted to kill Americans

[kelvin070]

How do you guys intepret the comic?

Study links 45,000 U.S. deaths to lack of insurance

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Nearly 45,000 people die in the United States each year -- one every 12 minutes -- in large part because they lack health insurance and can not get good care, Harvard Medical School researchers found in an analysis released on Thursday.
Health | Healthcare Reform
"We're losing more Americans every day because of inaction ... than drunk driving and homicide combined," Dr. David Himmelstein, a co-author of the study and an associate professor of medicine at Harvard, said in an interview with Reuters.

Study links 45,000 U.S. deaths to lack of insurance | Reuters

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[kelvin070]

Health Care Bill Clears Key Senate Test

(WASHINGTON) — Landmark health care legislation backed by President Barack Obama passed its sternest Senate test in the pre-dawn hours early Monday, overcoming Republican delaying tactics on a 60-40 vote that all but assures its passage by Christmas.
"Let's make history," said Sen. Tom Harkin, D-Iowa, shortly before the bill's supporters demonstrated their command of the Senate floor in an extraordinary holiday season showdown.
The bill would extend coverage to more than 30 million Americans who now lack it, while banning insurance company practices such as denial of benefits on the basis of pre-existing medical conditions.


Read more: http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1949080,00.html#ixzz0aJiQTqXM

 

[Alien Allen]

guess those people don't deserve health care right away eh?

yeah baby, lets pork up the bill and fund it for 3 years and then let people have health care

god I love this country

what a system

 

[kelvin070]

Sunrise Vote Nudges Health Care Bill Forward

(WASHINGTON) — Two down and one to go. The health care bill has passed another 60-vote test in the Senate.
Democrats remained united as they started voting at sunrise Tuesday, pushing toward their goal of passing President Barack Obama's health care overhaul by Christmas. (See 10 players in health care reform.)
With not a vote to spare, the Senate voted 60-39 to shut off debate on Majority Leader Harry Reid's version of the bill. An earlier vote to approve a 400-page package of changes that sealed Democratic support for the health care bill also passed 60-39, though only a simple majority was required. No Republicans voted in favor.


Read more: http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1949461,00.html#ixzz0aQOUnJOh

 

[Accountable]

Only one requires the difficult tally of 60 senators, and the outcome of that vote — to overcome GOP opposition to the sweeping legislation — is preordained. Reid has herded 58 Democrats and two independents into line through a combination of wheedling, cajoling and dispensing special deals. The strategy has Republicans irate.

"That's not change you can believe in. That's sleazy," Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., told NBC's Today show Tuesday, just before the voting began.

Reid makes no apologies.

"I don't know if there's a senator that doesn't have something in this bill that was important to them, and if they don't have something in it important to them, then it doesn't speak well of them," Reid said Monday.

Message received: if you don't get pork for your own state or yourself personally, wasting citizens' tax dollars, then you aren't a good senator.

 

[kelvin070]

I was shocked after watching the video on the Times article. Thousands of americans queing up in the open for hours for basic health care needs. They camped overnight after driving from distant places. This is much worse than third world countries. The world's richest country spends trillions on two unnecesary wars but not doing enough for the basic health care needs of its citizens. When I visit the govt clinic here I register at the counter, get to see the doctor, get my prescription, collect my medicine, make payment at the counter - all done within an hour.

 

[Accountable]

Maybe that's because it is the responsibility of the government to take care of the government's people. Here, the government has no people. Originally (certainly not now) it was the people's responsibility to take care of themselves. Sadly, so many who do take care of themselves, for some reason believe that they themselves are exceptional, and that no one else is truly able to be self-sufficient. Their bigotry for anyone outside their immediate circle is such that they cannot bring themselves to see everyone as truly equal. They think that those with different skin color, different education, different climates - pick your difference because it makes no difference - need help to eke out the barest existence or they will die.

Hubris.

Unfortunately it's true: If you hear something often enough you start to believe it.

Ballad of Roosevelt
by Langston Hughes

The pot was empty,
The cupboard was bare.
I said, Papa,
What’s the matter here?

I’m waitin' on Roosevelt, son,
Roosevelt, Roosevelt,
Waitin' on Roosevelt, son.

The rent was due,
And the lights was out.
I said, Tell me, Mama,
What’s it all about?

We’re waitin' on Roosevelt, son,
Roosevelt, Roosevelt,
Just waitin' on Roosevelt.

Sister got sick
And the doctor wouldn’t come
Cause we couldn’t pay him
The proper sum—

A-waitin on Roosevelt,
Roosevelt, Roosevelt,
A-waitin' on Roosevelt.

Then one day
They put us out o' the house.
Ma and Pa was Meek as a mouse

Still waitin' on Roosevelt,
Roosevelt, Roosevelt.

But when they felt those
Cold winds blow
And didn’t have no
Place to go

Pa said, I’m tired
O’waitin' on Roosevelt,
Roosevelt, Roosevelt.
Damn tired o‘ waitin’ on Roosevelt.

I can’t git a job
And I can’t git no grub.
Backbone and navel’s
Doin' the belly-rub—

A-waitin' on Roosevelt,
Roosevelt, Roosevelt.

And a lot o' other folks
What’s hungry and cold
Done stopped believin'
What they been told

By Roosevelt,
Roosevelt, Roosevelt—

Cause the pot’s still empty,
And the cupboard’s still bare,
And you can’t build a
bungalow
Out o' air—

Mr. Roosevelt, listen!
What’s the matter here?
​

Government can't take care of the people. Government shouldn't take care of the people. The only way that people will be truly taken care of is if they take care of themselves, then help those in their circles. People who think they are taking care of others by telling the government to do is are fooling themselves. Curling up in their comfortable beds having delegated the responsibility that truly should never be delegated.

The US may never be as is should, or even as it used to be. That's a shame, but it still doesn't excuse the citizens today of shirking their responsibilities and expecting strangers in Washington to pick up the ball.

 

[kelvin070]

Health Bill Clears Final Pre-Passage Hurdle

(WASHINGTON) — Exultant Senate Democrats pushed President Barack Obama's landmark health care overhaul past a final procedural hurdle Wednesday, setting up a Christmas Eve vote to pass the legislation extending coverage to 30 million Americans.
Democrats voted 60-39 to end a GOP filibuster and move to a final vote Thursday. All 58 Democrats and two independents hung together against unanimous Republican opposition.


Read more: http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1949889,00.html#ixzz0aYbXqqWx

 

[Accountable]

Nice non-response

 

[skyblue]

you pay taxes,you should be looked after.....if you aren't looked after you dont pay taxes

 

[Accountable]

you pay taxes,you should be looked after.....if you aren't looked after you dont pay taxes

You're not a US citizen, are you?
Government has different roles in different countries.

 

[kelvin070]

you pay taxes,you should be looked after.....if you aren't looked after you dont pay taxes

Tax money is solely for installing democracy in Iraq and Afghanistan.

 

[Tangerine]

I was shocked after watching the video on the Times article. Thousands of americans queing up in the open for hours for basic health care needs. They camped overnight after driving from distant places. This is much worse than third world countries. The world's richest country spends trillions on two unnecesary wars but not doing enough for the basic health care needs of its citizens. When I visit the govt clinic here I register at the counter, get to see the doctor, get my prescription, collect my medicine, make payment at the counter - all done within an hour.

I've never seen any Americans standing in any line at any doctors office, clinic, ER or anwhere else I've ever been. I question the veracity of anyone who tries to imply that this occurs in the US.

Like you, whenever I've gone to a doctor, I've checked in, waited a few minutes, saw the doctor and was on my way in very efficient time. Once, I waited several hours in the ER to get stitches, only because four victims from a major car crash were brought in while I was waiting and it took all personnel to deal with the emergency traumas.

 

[Tangerine]

I HAVE, however, observed hundreds of people standing in line at 5AM waiting for a Wal-Mart to open their doors on the morning after Thanksgiving, On more than one occasion, actually.

 

[kelvin070]

I've never seen any Americans standing in any line at any doctors office, clinic, ER or anwhere else I've ever been. I question the veracity of anyone who tries to imply that this occurs in the US.

Like you, whenever I've gone to a doctor, I've checked in, waited a few minutes, saw the doctor and was on my way in very efficient time. Once, I waited several hours in the ER to get stitches, only because four victims from a major car crash were brought in while I was waiting and it took all personnel to deal with the emergency traumas.

I was basing it from what I seen on this video from the Time article.
Health Care for the Uninsured

 

[Tangerine]

Do you realize that this article covers a "special event" type two-day free medical clinic - in a very remote rural area? Of course, people will take advantage of something like this. It's a good program, and we should have more programs like it.

But it does not in any way exemplify health care in the US. The idea that this single event is the way our health care system operates is very misinformed. You seem to have taken from this slideshow that this is the ONLY way these people could get any type of health care. That is not the case. It's simply an easy way to get FREE health care with no strings attached. Our country already has a system in place to provide health care for those who can't afford it. It's called Medicaid. It's crappy, inefficient and wasteful, but it's there - and has been for years. I'm sorry that you've been a little misled by media propaganda causing you to believe that we simple allow people to suffer or die if they can't afford insurance.

 

[kelvin070]

Do you realize that this article covers a "special event" type two-day free medical clinic - in a very remote rural area? Of course, people will take advantage of something like this. It's a good program, and we should have more programs like it.

But it does not in any way exemplify health care in the US. The idea that this single event is the way our health care system operates is very misinformed. You seem to have taken from this slideshow that this is the ONLY way these people could get any type of health care. That is not the case. It's simply an easy way to get FREE health care with no strings attached. Our country already has a system in place to provide health care for those who can't afford it. It's called Medicaid. It's crappy, inefficient and wasteful, but it's there - and has been for years. I'm sorry that you've been a little misled by media propaganda causing you to believe that we simple allow people to suffer or die if they can't afford insurance.

OK...................

 

[kelvin070]

Watch this video pls.

YouTube - Union Presentation: US vs. Canada Healthcare

 

[Accountable]

I was basing it from what I seen on this video from the Time article.
Health Care for the Uninsured

You should have listened as well.

Singapore is crowded, right? I assume you have no really remote areas. The meeting was at the Virginia-Kentucky Fairgrounds. Virginia & Kentucky are states. If they have to share a fairgrounds, you can be sure there aren't many people per square mile there. Likely the area is so remote that it isn't practical to run a hospital nearby.

A woman interviewed said she had insurance, but it has a $3500 deductible. If I could save money by waiting in line for a routine checkup, I'd wait in line, too.

One of the doctors said they hold this event every year on the last weekend of July. You can be sure that all the local people know about it and plan for it just like the shoppers plan for the Wal mart sale. In fact, I'll bet a lot of people in those pictures probably could have and should have gone to a hospital weeks or months ago, but knew the free clinic was coming around and decided to wait. That decision undoubtedly worsened their condition unnecessarily. So it could be argued that this free event does as much harm as good.

I wonder how many people died because they thought they could wait for the free clinic instead of going to the hospital. :humm:

The photographer said people came from as far away as New York. It's 650 miles from southern New York to the Kentucky/Virginia border. That's bypassing a hell of a lot of medical care to camp out and wait in line. She didn't actually interview anyone saying they were from New York. I say bullshit. Maybe she saw a New York license plate on a car. Maybe she came from New York.

They were handing out free prescription glasses. Reading glasses cost $8 at the discount store. Most people spent more than that on the gasoline to drive to the event.

The event in the video is a good thing. It's people helping people. I don't understand why people voluntarily helping people is a bad thing. Why is it only good when government uses threat of imprisonment to take money from people, then pay people for a service that someone else just might otherwise do it for free?

What you witnessed is goodness. Government just fucks things up.

 

[kelvin070]

Senate Passes Christmas Eve Health Care Vote

(WASHINGTON) — The Senate has passed President Barack Obama's landmark health care overhaul extending medical insurance to 30 million Americans. The bill requires nearly all Americans to buy insurance and forbids insurance companies from denying coverage based on patients' pre-existing conditions.
The 60-39 vote on a cold Christmas Eve morning capped months of arduous negotiations — and a succession of failures by past congresses to get to this point. Vice President Joe Biden presided as 58 Democrats and two independents voted "yes." Republicans unanimously voted "no."


Read more: http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1949996,00.html#ixzz0ac4wuiVs