Al Franken is a Dick

[dt3]

STFU and enjoy your free healthcare...Wimp:24::24:

I can't be eligible for the free healthcare til I get the physical and they decide that I qualify

Quite a catch, that catch-22.

 

[Tim]

Traitor? I'm guessing you mean traitor to the party you don't even like?

This isn't about supporting the democratic party, this is about supporting reform of health care. I supported extending medicare to those 55-65
Actually I would support extending medicare to everyone. Let everyone have the option to buy in and with all the new/younger members contributing, it would help infuse money into the system and help carry those who are not paying into the system now.
It's just common sense. Medicare is the ideal system if they would quit stealing the money from it. It operates at 3% overhead and pays the providers quickly. I would love to see the system given a boost buy letting people buy in. They can figure out exactly how much it would cost for an individual to buy in, add 10% to that and help boost the solvency of medicare. Then they can eliminate the waste and fraud, increase the payments to health care providers. The system is already in place and it works. We just need to fix the damn thing instead of trying to torpedo it every chance they get.

But none of this will ever happen while the crooks are in office.

 

[BadBoy@TheWheel]

This isn't about supporting the democratic party, this is about supporting reform of health care. I supported extending medicare to those 55-65
Actually I would support extending medicare to everyone. Let everyone have the option to buy in and with all the new/younger members contributing, it would help infuse money into the system and help carry those who are not paying into the system now.
It's just common sense. Medicare is the ideal system if they would quit stealing the money from it. It operates at 3% overhead and pays the providers quickly. I would love to see the system given a boost buy letting people buy in. They can figure out exactly how much it would cost for an individual to buy in, add 10% to that and help boost the solvency of medicare. Then they can eliminate the waste and fraud, increase the payments to health care providers. The system is already in place and it works. We just need to fix the damn thing instead of trying to torpedo it every chance they get.

But none of this will ever happen while the crooks are in office.

In fact Timo...Why didn't Obama and his henchmen just say that? We will fix the problem...Medicare for everyone that doesn't have healthcare?

I know why they couldn't attack the wealthy that way

 

[dt3]

This isn't about supporting the democratic party, this is about supporting reform of health care. I supported extending medicare to those 55-65
Actually I would support extending medicare to everyone. Let everyone have the option to buy in and with all the new/younger members contributing, it would help infuse money into the system and help carry those who are not paying into the system now.
It's just common sense. Medicare is the ideal system if they would quit stealing the money from it. It operates at 3% overhead and pays the providers quickly. I would love to see the system given a boost buy letting people buy in. They can figure out exactly how much it would cost for an individual to buy in, add 10% to that and help boost the solvency of medicare. Then they can eliminate the waste and fraud, increase the payments to health care providers. The system is already in place and it works. We just need to fix the damn thing instead of trying to torpedo it every chance they get.

But none of this will ever happen while the crooks are in office.

*Checks pay stub*

Yep, it's an ideal system alright. I'm required by federal law to pay for it for the next 40 years, and then they'll be kind enough to let me benefit. That's ideal? For real? :24:

 

[Tim]

So you're saying our government is too corrupt and untrustworthy to be running something as important as our healthcare. Then say that they need to be running our healthcare?

The VA is non-profit and government run. Guess what the waitlist for a ROUTINE physical to get into the VA system is here in Fredericksburg.

It's 3 YEARS. 3 YEARS for a physical.

I don't want government running health care. I want them to handle the money like the insurance companies are doing now. Single payer is not socialized medicine, it's NOT government run health care. The VA is socialized health care, it has government run hospitals and government paid doctors. That's not what I am looking for.

 

[Tim]

In fact Timo...Why didn't Obama and his henchmen just say that? We will fix the problem...Medicare for everyone that doesn't have healthcare?

I know why they couldn't attack the wealthy that way

Because they are all sell outs... every one of the bastards are sell outs.

Like I said, NOTHING will get done in OUR interest until we reform government.

 

[dt3]

I don't want government running health care. I want them to handle the money like the insurance companies are doing now. Single payer is not socialized medicine, it's NOT government run health care. The VA is socialized health care, it has government run hospitals and government paid doctors. That's not what I am looking for.

Well if you want to make it a felony to profit on healthcare, who the hell do you expect to step up and run it if it isn't the government?

 

[Tim]

Well if you want to make it a felony to profit on healthcare, who the hell do you expect to step up and run it if it isn't the government?

There are quite a few non profit health care providers doing quite well right now.

 

[BadBoy@TheWheel]

Because they are all sell outs... every one of the bastards are sell outs.

Like I said, NOTHING will get done in OUR interest until we reform government.

NOW THAT'S WHAT I LIKE TO HEAR:clap

You're a closet Constitutionalist....Admit it

 

[Tim]

Well if you want to make it a felony to profit on healthcare, who the hell do you expect to step up and run it if it isn't the government?

Do you realize that we are the only industrialized nation where it's legal to make a profit on basic health care, right?

 

[BadBoy@TheWheel]

Do you realize that we are the only industrialized nation where it's legal to make a profit on basic health care, right?

As opposed to many countries who have plenty of wealth, and offer nothing

Of which WE stipened the healthcare for them

 

[dt3]

Do you realize that we are the only industrialized nation where it's legal to make a profit on basic health care, right?

And we should absolutely be completely in line with the rest of the world and do everything just like Europe does.

:sarcasm

If all the other industrialized nations jumped off a bridge, would we do it too? :eek

 

[Tim]

And we should absolutely be completely in line with the rest of the world and do everything just like Europe does.

:sarcasm

If all the other industrialized nations jumped off a bridge, would we do it too? :eek

No, but it does show that it's the corporations that run American and not the people. It's just a dog and pony show.

 

[Accountable]

This isn't about supporting the democratic party, this is about supporting reform of health care. I supported extending medicare to those 55-65
Actually I would support extending medicare to everyone.

with or without the $500b cut?

Let everyone have the option to buy in and with all the new/younger members contributing, it would help infuse money into the system and help carry those who are not paying into the system now.

How do you figure? How many people who could afford other healthcare would voluntarily throw good money into a system that is proven inefficient, hoping that enough others will do the same to make it solvent?

It's just common sense. Medicare is the ideal system if they would quit stealing the money from it. It operates at 3% overhead and pays the providers quickly.

At a small fraction of what they would otherwise charge - often not even meeting overhead, if I understand it right.

I would love to see the system given a boost buy letting people buy in. They can figure out exactly how much it would cost for an individual to buy in, add 10% to that and help boost the solvency of medicare. Then they can eliminate the waste and fraud, increase the payments to health care providers. The system is already in place and it works. We just need to fix the damn thing instead of trying to torpedo it every chance they get.

Where is the 10% supposed to come from? How is eliminating waste and fraud anywhere remotely realistic?

I don't see how you can call it common sense that people with funds would choose to join a system that would naturally have an overwhelming majority of people who cannot pay, that they would pay so much that the system could pay providers not only for their own healthcare but the indigent population as well, all the while eliminating fraud and waste.

 

[Accountable]

No, but it does show that it's the corporations that run American and not the people. It's just a dog and pony show.

That's a reason to throw up a wall between corporation and state, not give the corporation's responsibility to the state.

 

[All Else Failed]

You sir are 100% correct.

Lieberman is a dick and needs to be shut down. The democrats need to remove his chairmanship and treat him like the traitor he is. I guess the millions in campaign contributions he got from the insurance companies really paid off...

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Hm, some democrat you are to want a person silenced just because he's going against what you agree with.


Sort of typical, really.

No, but it does show that it's the corporations that run American and not the people. It's just a dog and pony show.

Oh please, I think you'll find that corporations in even the most socialist European country with your type of health care has corporation with just as much influence.

 

[retro]

Tort reform yes, but that will save less than 1% so you need to be honest that it isn't reform.

Facts? Where are they. Where is your proof to back up that ridiculous statement. Malpractice lawsuits have increased malpractice insurance rates to a ridiculous level. Not to mention the fact that it's led to the advent of cover your ass medicine, where doctors order 10x more tests than are actually needed in order to try and avoid a potential lawsuit.

So where are the facts?

 

[Peter Parka]

Do you realize that we are the only industrialized nation where it's legal to make a profit on basic health care, right?

Its legal to do it in the UK. That is the whole point of BUPA. :dunno

 

[BadBoy@TheWheel]

Besides Tim....Give this douche a few more years in office, and we won't be industrialized anymore....A WINDMILL IN EVERY POT!!!