After-birth Abortion

[The Man]

Take a minute and look at the numbers...

How many abortions are performed in the US each year?
How many adoptions are there each year?
How many people are waiting to adopt?

If you go look at all the numbers, you would find that there would be over a million unwanted children added to the US each year. What do we do with all these children???
How many of these kids are you willing to adopt?

Yeah, didn't think so

How many abortions are performed in the US each year?

To many

How many adoptions are there each year?

Could be more with less abortions

How many of these kids are you willing to adopt?

Doesnt matter

If you go look at all the numbers, you would find that there would be over a million unwanted children added to the US each year.

Many people love the child after it is born in area that do not allow abortion at will...So by your argument places that do not allow abortion at will are filled with unwanted children.

Did I mention adoption..How about birth control

 

[HK]

Did I mention adoption..How about birth control.

When you find a 100% effective method, let us know.

 

[Tim]

Did I mention adoption..How about birth control.

At least you make sense here.

We should focus on effective birth control and proper use of it. As a matter of fact it should be available to everyone, always and free.

It's funny how the fundies will bitch and complain if sex ed is taught in school, they will fight tooth and nail to teach abstinence only and then turn around and fight against abortions.

The very first step in avoiding unwanted children is education and available birth control. This is where the focus should be, but that will never happen as long as the fundies get in the way.

 

[The Doc]

You can't say 'your unwanted child could cure cancer' to justify making someone carry to term a baby they don't want. You could just as easily then have the argument that they might grow up to be mass murderers, so why take the risk, right?


Hypothetical arguments about the possible future of anyone are pointless, no one knows what the future will hold. The only factors should be the current situation of the mother, because that's the only thing that we can reliably predict the outcome for. Pregnancy will make permanent changes to a woman, both mentally and physically. Trying to assert that her child might go on to do a great things is grasping at straws.

Yes, no one knows what the future can hold thats why we use the word 'could'. Many important figures through history were orphaned at birth and made lasting contribution. It is an effective argument, your aborted kid COULD have been the one to cure cancer, or the one to talk someone important out of a suicide, maybe even come up with a plan for world peace.

Wonder what the world would have been like if Adolf Hitler, Benito Mussolini or Osama Bin Laden had been aborted.. We shall never know.. :ninja

Well, seeing as Osama comes from a wealthy arab family thats very fundamentally muslim i dont see him ever getting aborted... and the fact that adolf hitler and benito mussolini were born to parents who were married i dont see them have a big possibility of getting aborted either. If you were to put up an argument you should have picked an orphan who ended up doing something horrible to human kind and then saying he should have been aborted. You know its a sad situation when your opponent is giving you advice...

To many

Could be more with less abortions


Doesnt matter


Many people love the child after it is born in area that do not allow abortion at will...So by your argument places that do not allow abortion at will are filled with unwanted children.

Did I mention adoption..How about birth control

I like your style

When you find a 100% effective method, let us know.

I tried to look up the main causes of unwanted pregnancies and couldent seem to find them. If you find something on it post it. It seems to me though, from the people i have met most of them are pregnant from plainly just not using birth control at all, i have met very few who were using one form of contraception which just failed "i.e. condom broke, pills didnt work, depo shot failed stc.." in theese events, just because your taking pills or have a depo shot or IUD doesnt mean your partner shouldent wear a condom. To this dau i havent met someone using 2 forms of contraception and they both failed. If you were using an IUD, Depo, or Pills and your partner was wearing a condom and you became pregnant.. shit thats fate lol. Thats probly the second coming of Jesus in your womb. Lol.

 

[The Doc]

Oh i did find a 100% way to deal with unwanted pregnancies. If you dont have the balls to raise a kid, which is the biological purpose of sex, then dont do it. Stick to blowjobs or something. Its like murdering someone, your accepted the risk you can get busted and end up in prison, and if your scared of that outcome dont do it. Better safe then sorry. If you do it anyways, your a retard.

 

[HK]

Well geez, if we're going with anecdotal evidence then the only person I know who had an abortion, was a result of a failed contraceptive. But I try not to use the line of reasoning that since I know someone like that, it must be true for everyone


I agree with Tim that focusing on contraception is a good way forward. But it'd be naive to think that it would wipe out unexpected pregnancies, because even being careful isn't always enough. Some pregnancies are accidents. I think if you catch an accident early enough, you should be allowed to put it right.

 

[HK]

Just because the biological purpose of sex is procreation, hardly means it's the only reason people do it.


Never had sex for fun? I generally don't go into the bedroom thinking about babies, but maybe that's just me.

 

[The Doc]

Just because the biological purpose of sex is procreation, hardly means it's the only reason people do it.


Never had sex for fun? I generally don't go into the bedroom thinking about babies, but maybe that's just me.

I didnt say you shouldent have sex, nor did i say thats the only reason why people do it. I am just saying its a biological thing, in nature sex is for procreation. In no way am i saying you should only have sex if you want kids. I am just saying, if you dont have the balls to have a kid.. which is the result of sex naturally... then dont have sex. Its like playing football. Its a very fun game, but theres always a chance of getting injured no matter how much stretching and equipment you have. If your scared to get hurt, dont play because its NO ONES FAULT BUT YOURS. If your man enough to hop in a car without a liscence, you better be man enough to pay your fines. Theres no aborting those.

Most of the people i meet who had an unwanted pregnancy were drunk and having sex, or using the 'Pull out method'. Or just using a condom. You should always be using Depo, IUD or pills or something in addition to using condoms, worst comes to worst they make a morning after pill

If your MAN enough to have sex, be MAN enough to deal with consequences. Aborting a baby is cowardly, its giving up. It takes a real MAN or WOMAN to raise a child.

 

[Mercury]

were drunk and having sex, or using the 'Pull out method'

......... the way my two children were born.

 

[HK]

It's not about 'having the balls' to have a kid. There are teenage girls out there who want to get pregnant at 14, because they think a baby is something they can love and play with, rather than something that will eventually grow into another human being. Having a baby is technically very easy - you just let it happen. It requires zero bravery whatsoever to let nature take it's course.


Dealing with the emotional and physical effects of an abortion - that, I would say, is more likely to be the difficult choice. Now everyone's experience is different and I'm not saying abortion isn't easy for some people, nor that childbirth isn't hard for others. But I wouldn't say that deciding to keep an accidental pregnancy is particularly brave. It's just one option out of three not very great options.

 

[The Man]

At least you make sense here.

We should focus on effective birth control and proper use of it. As a matter of fact it should be available to everyone, always and free.

It's funny how the fundies will bitch and complain if sex ed is taught in school, they will fight tooth and nail to teach abstinence only and then turn around and fight against abortions.

The very first step in avoiding unwanted children is education and available birth control. This is where the focus should be, but that will never happen as long as the fundies get in the way.

Abortion has been being used for birth control...that is where I have issues.
I find nothing wrong with teaching abstinence until one is age to become responsible ..they will have sex anyway..but at least hopefully be more careful after being taught responsibility.

The "fundies" as you call them are merely a needed "evil" in the balance of free for all sex verses responsible sex..both a little extreme with their positions

 

[alice in chains]

There are many reasons to abort a baby beyond 'not wanting it'. And babies that are euthanised after being born are never done so because they're the wrong gender, or the wrong colour, or some other ridiculous criteria.


If I had a child that was severely disabled then I would probably abort. If I didn't find out till after they were born then it would depend how severe it was - but if they were being kept alive entirely by medical intervention, then I'd seriously considering turning it off. Quality of life is important, not just for the child but for the family as well.


But by all means, if it makes you feel better to think pro-choicers are willing to kill off perfectly healthy newborns because of the shape of their noses, don't let me stop you

I agree with you except that a doctor should proclaim the abortion appropriate because the mother has a definite biased and subjective view point, therefore, she may not be able to see the medical facts and other likely opportunities.

 

[alice in chains]

Take a minute and look at the numbers...

How many abortions are performed in the US each year?
How many adoptions are there each year?
How many people are waiting to adopt?

If you go look at all the numbers, you would find that there would be over a million unwanted children added to the US each year. What do we do with all these children???
How many of these kids are you willing to adopt?

Yeah, didn't think so

This post sounds like you promote population control, which is fine. So why not pass a law that says people cannot have more than one child so the adoption rate increases? Is that relatively different from legal abortions?

 

[alice in chains]

Just because the biological purpose of sex is procreation, hardly means it's the only reason people do it.


Never had sex for fun? I generally don't go into the bedroom thinking about babies, but maybe that's just me.

Don't you realize sex IS fun because we must procreate?

 

[HK]

Of course the mother has a bias, she's the person it affects. No one else has any right to say what she should do.

 

[alice in chains]

Of course the mother has a bias, she's the person it affects. No one else has any right to say what she should do.

And that's fine as long as the mother doesn't EXPECT the father to contribute if he chooses to do so or not. If she expects him too, then he has a say.

 

[HK]

Don't you realize sex IS fun because we must procreate?

So? Why does it matter what the original reason was?

 

[alice in chains]

Because your desire to fuck isn't about enjoying yourself. It's nature telling your reproductive system to not listen to your brain. Procreation is the only reason people fuck wether they realize it or not.

You CAN have sex after your body isn't capable of having children because it's a physical capability at that point. Basically the leftovers.

 

[HK]

Nope. Pretty sure I want to fuck because... I like to fuck.


Believe it or not, some of us are capable of thinking outside the bounds of our natural imperatives.

 

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