After-birth Abortion

[The Doc]

Thats my bad. I didnt read the whole topic, just caught your reply.

But seriously, that baby you abort because you just 'dont want it' could be the scientist who comes out with the cure for cancer or the guy who figures out how to make high powered engines that dont run on fossil fuels or something. You could be denying the world a great gift.

 

[The Man]

The post you had responded to mine..I was being sarcastic..I am against abortion at will.
But there are people out there that kill babies because...a baby just isnt what they want at the time

 

[The Doc]

The post you had responded to mine..I was being sarcastic..I am against abortion at will.
But there are people out there that kill babies because...a baby just isnt what they want at the time

Yeah, but they can always give it up for adoption...

Usually, when Im talking to a pro-life female at this point they will respond back with something like "But ill get stretch marks, my breasts will sag, gain weight etc..." but to me it seems selfish you would kill a human being for stretch marks and saggy tits. Wouldent you say?

 

[Francis]

Im a pro life guy, but if my kid had down syndrome or something i would abort it.

Hum I saw the following post where you said you would take that back..

Now I have been on the fence on this subject where I believe you should be a man and take responsibility for making a child.. But I also believe there are times when a fetus might be better off not coming into existence but that's my opinion..

Now you say, send it to adoption, but as a man you don't have that option if the woman decides to keep it depending on where you live..

 

[The Doc]

Yes, your right its not my choice its the womens choice. Hopefully no offspring of mine is retarded, but if it is im hoping the mother would be my wife. and if it is my wife, she would respect my oppinion as i produced half of it. But thats just my oppinion on it. If i got a skank preggo on accident and she wanted to keep the kid after the doc says its a downie i guess there isnt much i can do.

 

[Francis]

People always talk hypothetically but when reality hits, man its totally different when its real life and real time..

My wife had been with me 6 years when we had our son.. I had been working for this company 7 years and making a very good wage..

My Mom passed away and upon the day of my return I was handed my pink slip.. Our company had been sold, shocking the hell out of everyone, and I was in the last of the cuts as they were keeping the other company's staff and not ours..

My wife decided she couldn't handle the stress and walked out with the baby and her daughter, no other reason than get the hell out and leave me to sink with a new house and a new car.. She had just finished university, gotten her degree and a teaching certificate and I guess could not see that it was possible to get back on top again.

I got my severance package my Dec 31 and my yearly paycheck looked like it was 3 times what it really was.. Because she left me and asked welfare for assistance while she looked for a job in a depressed market they came after me for child support at the rate that my tax form looked like I had and prorated me at $4000.00 for my son and $4000.00 for HER daughter ( my step daughter ) as per our laws.

It's easy to "Ass U Me" things will never go wrong in life and I would never change a thing. I have a great son and even had her daughter move back in with me, but she is back on her own at college now.

That's why I try to look at both sides of every possible story.. It's easy to say certain things should not or should happen.. I used to be the same way when I was younger.. It's true that when you mature you look at life in a much different perspective..

 

[The Man]

Yeah, but they can always give it up for adoption...

Usually, when Im talking to a pro-life female at this point they will respond back with something like "But ill get stretch marks, my breasts will sag, gain weight etc..." but to me it seems selfish you would kill a human being for stretch marks and saggy tits. Wouldent you say?

Selfish indeed.....The option is always there to put up for adoption..but yet they choose to kill it..rather than raise it or give it away

 

[The Doc]

People always talk hypothetically but when reality hits, man its totally different when its real life and real time..

My wife had been with me 6 years when we had our son.. I had been working for this company 7 years and making a very good wage..

My Mom passed away and upon the day of my return I was handed my pink slip.. Our company had been sold, shocking the hell out of everyone, and I was in the last of the cuts as they were keeping the other company's staff and not ours..

My wife decided she couldn't handle the stress and walked out with the baby and her daughter, no other reason than get the hell out and leave me to sink with a new house and a new car.. She had just finished university, gotten her degree and a teaching certificate and I guess could not see that it was possible to get back on top again.

I got my severance package my Dec 31 and my yearly paycheck looked like it was 3 times what it really was.. Because she left me and asked welfare for assistance while she looked for a job in a depressed market they came after me for child support at the rate that my tax form looked like I had and prorated me at $4000.00 for my son and $4000.00 for HER daughter ( my step daughter ) as per our laws.

It's easy to "Ass U Me" things will never go wrong in life and I would never change a thing. I have a great son and even had her daughter move back in with me, but she is back on her own at college now.

That's why I try to look at both sides of every possible story.. It's easy to say certain things should not or should happen.. I used to be the same way when I was younger.. It's true that when you mature you look at life in a much different perspective..

I am sorry man. Thats hella fucked up.

Selfish indeed.....The option is always there to put up for adoption..but yet they choose to kill it..rather than raise it or give it away

Yeah its ridiculous

 

[HK]

There are many reasons to abort a baby beyond 'not wanting it'. And babies that are euthanised after being born are never done so because they're the wrong gender, or the wrong colour, or some other ridiculous criteria.


If I had a child that was severely disabled then I would probably abort. If I didn't find out till after they were born then it would depend how severe it was - but if they were being kept alive entirely by medical intervention, then I'd seriously considering turning it off. Quality of life is important, not just for the child but for the family as well.


But by all means, if it makes you feel better to think pro-choicers are willing to kill off perfectly healthy newborns because of the shape of their noses, don't let me stop you

 

[Leananshee]

It at least used to be the case that few doctors would perform an abortion past the first trimester. To me that seems reasonable. I'm pro-choice to a point. I don't want society to go back to the days of back-alley abortions. I do think there should be limits on when one can be done. But for those who oppose it entirely, I have long suggested that they support adoption services and care for women faced with that choice. Opponents of abortion, especially ones professing to be Christian, never scored any points with un-Christian behavior in its opposition, like shouting obscenities at women going to abortion clinics, bombing said clinics or killing abortion doctors. That said, I don't think any sane person should think making that choice should be a free-for-all, and only the extreme of the other side seems to.

 

[HK]

It at least used to be the case that few doctors would perform an abortion past the first trimester. To me that seems reasonable. I'm pro-choice to a point. I don't want society to go back to the days of back-alley abortions. I do think there should be limits on when one can be done.

I feel very similar - it's different when there are medical complications, but if it's basically an accident, I agree with there being a time limit on when it can be done. So long as the approval process doesn't drag things out so women end up going past the point of no return, that seems fair to me.

 

[Leananshee]

I would definitely say that there is a point in utero that is that point of no return. It's definitely way past time once the kid's out of the blue box.

 

[HK]

It's definitely way past time once the kid's out of the blue box.

:24: :24:

Think you're soooo fucking funny don't you

 

[Leananshee]

Why yes, I do, thankyouverymuch.

 

[The Doc]

It at least used to be the case that few doctors would perform an abortion past the first trimester. To me that seems reasonable. I'm pro-choice to a point. I don't want society to go back to the days of back-alley abortions. I do think there should be limits on when one can be done. But for those who oppose it entirely, I have long suggested that they support adoption services and care for women faced with that choice. Opponents of abortion, especially ones professing to be Christian, never scored any points with un-Christian behavior in its opposition, like shouting obscenities at women going to abortion clinics, bombing said clinics or killing abortion doctors. That said, I don't think any sane person should think making that choice should be a free-for-all, and only the extreme of the other side seems to.

Shouting in front of abortion clinics, killing abortion doc, and bombing clinics is unethical. Now, im guilty of abortion jokes. My 1st Seargent is a big time christian so i make abortion jokes in front of him to make him uncomfortable because its funny but i dont believe in it. If a women is bent on getting an abortion and your protesting a clinic, the women can just drive down the road to another one... My whole view on abortion really isnt rooted into christianity its more of killing something that hasnt done anything wrong that gets me.

There are many reasons to abort a baby beyond 'not wanting it'. And babies that are euthanised after being born are never done so because they're the wrong gender, or the wrong colour, or some other ridiculous criteria.


If I had a child that was severely disabled then I would probably abort. If I didn't find out till after they were born then it would depend how severe it was - but if they were being kept alive entirely by medical intervention, then I'd seriously considering turning it off. Quality of life is important, not just for the child but for the family as well.


But by all means, if it makes you feel better to think pro-choicers are willing to kill off perfectly healthy newborns because of the shape of their noses, don't let me stop you

I mean i understand that. I wouldent keep a downie or disabled child. If its severely disabled i dont see the point of putting a women through child birth for something thats going to die fairly soon afterwards.

 

[Tim]

Selfish indeed.....The option is always there to put up for adoption..but yet they choose to kill it..rather than raise it or give it away

Take a minute and look at the numbers...

How many abortions are performed in the US each year?
How many adoptions are there each year?
How many people are waiting to adopt?

If you go look at all the numbers, you would find that there would be over a million unwanted children added to the US each year. What do we do with all these children???
How many of these kids are you willing to adopt?

Yeah, didn't think so

 

[The Doc]

It at least used to be the case that few doctors would perform an abortion past the first trimester. To me that seems reasonable. I'm pro-choice to a point. I don't want society to go back to the days of back-alley abortions. I do think there should be limits on when one can be done. But for those who oppose it entirely, I have long suggested that they support adoption services and care for women faced with that choice. Opponents of abortion, especially ones professing to be Christian, never scored any points with un-Christian behavior in its opposition, like shouting obscenities at women going to abortion clinics, bombing said clinics or killing abortion doctors. That said, I don't think any sane person should think making that choice should be a free-for-all, and only the extreme of the other side seems to.

There are many reasons to abort a baby beyond 'not wanting it'. And babies that are euthanised after being born are never done so because they're the wrong gender, or the wrong colour, or some other ridiculous criteria.


If I had a child that was severely disabled then I would probably abort. If I didn't find out till after they were born then it would depend how severe it was - but if they were being kept alive entirely by medical intervention, then I'd seriously considering turning it off. Quality of life is important, not just for the child but for the family as well.


But by all means, if it makes you feel better to think pro-choicers are willing to kill off perfectly healthy newborns because of the shape of their noses, don't let me stop you

Take a minute and look at the numbers...

How many abortions are performed in the US each year?
How many adoptions are there each year?
How many people are waiting to adopt?

If you go look at all the numbers, you would find that there would be over a million unwanted children added to the US each year. What do we do with all these children???
How many of these kids are you willing to adopt?

Yeah, didn't think so

So are you saying because those kids parents dont want them they should die? You know how many orphans turn 18 then just live normal lives? Those 'un-wanted' kids could be the ones to cure cancer. Just because their biological parents dont want them doesnt mean they have to die. They can do great things. They can get married have kids and start a good family and contribute to society.

 

[HK]

You can't say 'your unwanted child could cure cancer' to justify making someone carry to term a baby they don't want. You could just as easily then have the argument that they might grow up to be mass murderers, so why take the risk, right?


Hypothetical arguments about the possible future of anyone are pointless, no one knows what the future will hold. The only factors should be the current situation of the mother, because that's the only thing that we can reliably predict the outcome for. Pregnancy will make permanent changes to a woman, both mentally and physically. Trying to assert that her child might go on to do a great things is grasping at straws.

 

[Panacea]

You can't say 'your unwanted child could cure cancer' to justify making someone carry to term a baby they don't want. You could just as easily then have the argument that they might grow up to be mass murderers, so why take the risk, right?


Hypothetical arguments about the possible future of anyone are pointless, no one knows what the future will hold. The only factors should be the current situation of the mother, because that's the only thing that we can reliably predict the outcome for. Pregnancy will make permanent changes to a woman, both mentally and physically. Trying to assert that her child might go on to do a great things is grasping at straws.

Lol exactly, and consider the source in this case. Wtf.

 

[Francis]

You can't say 'your unwanted child could cure cancer' to justify making someone carry to term a baby they don't want. You could just as easily then have the argument that they might grow up to be mass murderers, so why take the risk, right?


Hypothetical arguments about the possible future of anyone are pointless, no one knows what the future will hold. The only factors should be the current situation of the mother, because that's the only thing that we can reliably predict the outcome for. Pregnancy will make permanent changes to a woman, both mentally and physically. Trying to assert that her child might go on to do a great things is grasping at straws.

Wonder what the world would have been like if Adolf Hitler, Benito Mussolini or Osama Bin Laden had been aborted.. We shall never know.. :ninja