sorry I do not understand your ''hit and run' policy...
If you could do that others could as well!
Afghan War not worth havoc it wreaked on thousands of troops.
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sorry I do not understand your ''hit and run' policy...
If you could do that others could as well!
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Accountable
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It's not a policy, and it's hardly hit and run. It's a combat tactic to maximize damage to the enemy while minimizing friendly casualties. You're right that others could do it as well. Any military leader would be stupid not to at least consider it if the technology were available. It's surgical and safe.
What's your objection to it?
What's your objection to it?
I think it is not feasible because Modern Science is no more a monopoly with anyone.
(It was a monopoly of the US in WW11......)
Accountable
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And troops on the ground is more feasible/desirable because ......................
because they can differentiate between the enemy troupes and the innocent civilians and do not kill
indiscriminately ....that makes sense!
Accountable
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1. No they can't. Not always, and not any better than a drone or RC vehicle.
2. If it's not important enough for complete war and acceptable collateral damage, then it's not important enough for war at all. Some other option would be better.
I think you ought to talk to a military strategist.....I am done with war!!{
Why not devise some way to make this world a single country
and name it UNITED STATES OF THE WORLD!!
Accountable
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Bad idea. I warned against the EU before it came to be.I think you ought to talk to a military strategist.....I am done with war!!{
Why not devise some way to make this world a single country
and name it UNITED STATES OF THE WORLD!!
Monday, Dec 27, 2010 14:17 ET U.N. maps belie claims of Afghan progress
By Justin Elliott
AP/Jim Young
President Obama meets with troops at Bagram Air Force Base in early December.
The big takeaway from the Obama administration's review of the Afghan war this month was that the strategy is working. But a new independent assessment suggests just the opposite: that, in fact, the situation is deteriorating.
It comes in the form of United Nations security maps obtained and described by the Wall Street Journal. These maps are used by UN personnel to make decisions about where they can operate within the conutry -- so presumably the UN takes their composition seriously. According to the Journal, this is the change that occurred between the March and October editions of the maps:
In the October map, just as in March's, nearly all of southern Afghanistan—the focus of the coalition's military offensives—remained painted the red of "very high risk," with no noted improvements. At the same time, the green belt of "low risk" districts in northern, central and western Afghanistan shriveled.
The U.N.'s October map upgraded to "high risk" 16 previously more secure districts ...
This, coming from an apparently disinterested and credible source, is a big deal, one that probably won't get the attention it deserves because of the holidays. It directly contradicts President Obama's claims of progress in Afghanistan. The White House has not commented on the report.The U.N.'s October map upgraded to "high risk" 16 previously more secure districts ...
Accountable
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I watched a documentary about baby boomers and they focused part of it on a guy in his mid-fifty's voluntarily going on his fourth (if I remember right) deployment to Afghanistan. He said he hoped that we wouldn't abandon the war and pull out of Afghanistan like we did in Viet Nam. I'm not sure we remember (1) why we officially said we were attacking Afghanistan, (2) why there was popular support for it, nor even (3) the real reason.
TommyTooter
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lest we forget:
The Afghanistan War was Planned Months Before the 9/11 Attacks
Speaking to the nation from the White House Treaty Room at 1:00 p.m. Eastern Time, on Oct. 7, 2001, President George W. Bush announced the beginning of Operation Enduring Freedom against the Taliban regime and al-Qaeda in Afghanistan. The joint U,.S.-British air assault would be followed within days by a ground assault, which involved mostly Afghan forces. Bush's remarks follow. Good afternoon. On my orders, the United States military has begun strikes against al Qaeda terrorist training camps and military installations of the Taliban regime in Afghanistan. These carefully targeted actions are designed to disrupt the use of Afghanistan as a terrorist base of operations, and to attack the military capability of the Taliban regime.
We are joined in this operation by our staunch friend, Great Britain. Other close friends, including Canada, Australia, Germany and France, have pledged forces as the operation unfolds. More than 40 countries in the Middle East, Africa, Europe and across Asia have granted air transit or landing rights. Many more have shared intelligence. We are supported by the collective will of the world.
More than two weeks ago, I gave Taliban leaders a series of clear and specific demands: Close terrorist training camps; hand over leaders of the al Qaeda network; and return all foreign nationals, including American citizens, unjustly detained in your country. None of these demands were met. And now the Taliban will pay a price. By destroying camps and disrupting communications, we will make it more difficult for the terror network to train new recruits and coordinate their evil plans.
Initially, the terrorists may burrow deeper into caves and other entrenched hiding places. Our military action is also designed to clear the way for sustained, comprehensive and relentless operations to drive them out and bring them to justice.
At the same time, the oppressed people of Afghanistan will know the generosity of America and our allies. As we strike military targets, we'll also drop food, medicine and supplies to the starving and suffering men and women and children of Afghanistan.
The United States of America is a friend to the Afghan people, and we are the friends of almost a billion worldwide who practice the Islamic faith. The United States of America is an enemy of those who aid terrorists and of the barbaric criminals who profane a great religion by committing murder in its name.
This military action is a part of our campaign against terrorism, another front in a war that has already been joined through diplomacy, intelligence, the freezing of financial assets and the arrests of known terrorists by law enforcement agents in 38 countries. Given the nature and reach of our enemies, we will win this conflict by the patient accumulation of successes, by meeting a series of challenges with determination and will and purpose.
Today we focus on Afghanistan, but the battle is broader. Every nation has a choice to make. In this conflict, there is no neutral ground. If any government sponsors the outlaws and killers of innocents, they have become outlaws and murderers, themselves. And they will take that lonely path at their own peril.
I'm speaking to you today from the Treaty Room of the White House, a place where American Presidents have worked for peace. We're a peaceful nation. Yet, as we have learned, so suddenly and so tragically, there can be no peace in a world of sudden terror. In the face of today's new threat, the only way to pursue peace is to pursue those who threaten it.
We did not ask for this mission, but we will fulfill it. The name of today's military operation is Enduring Freedom. We defend not only our precious freedoms, but also the freedom of people everywhere to live and raise their children free from fear.
I know many Americans feel fear today. And our government is taking strong precautions. All law enforcement and intelligence agencies are working aggressively around America, around the world and around the clock. At my request, many governors have activated the National Guard to strengthen airport security. We have called up Reserves to reinforce our military capability and strengthen the protection of our homeland.
In the months ahead, our patience will be one of our strengths -- patience with the long waits that will result from tighter security; patience and understanding that it will take time to achieve our goals; patience in all the sacrifices that may come.
Today, those sacrifices are being made by members of our Armed Forces who now defend us so far from home, and by their proud and worried families. A Commander-in-Chief sends America's sons and daughters into a battle in a foreign land only after the greatest care and a lot of prayer. We ask a lot of those who wear our uniform. We ask them to leave their loved ones, to travel great distances, to risk injury, even to be prepared to make the ultimate sacrifice of their lives. They are dedicated, they are honorable; they represent the best of our country. And we are grateful.
To all the men and women in our military -- every sailor, every soldier, every airman, every coastguardsman, every Marine -- I say this: Your mission is defined; your objectives are clear; your goal is just. You have my full confidence, and you will have every tool you need to carry out your duty.
I recently received a touching letter that says a lot about the state of America in these difficult times -- a letter from a 4th-grade girl, with a father in the military: "As much as I don't want my Dad to fight," she wrote, "I'm willing to give him to you."
This is a precious gift, the greatest she could give. This young girl knows what America is all about. Since September 11, an entire generation of young Americans has gained new understanding of the value of freedom, and its cost in duty and in sacrifice.
The battle is now joined on many fronts. We will not waver; we will not tire; we will not falter; and we will not fail. Peace and freedom will prevail.
Thank you. May God continue to bless America.
The Afghanistan War was Planned Months Before the 9/11 Attacks
Speaking to the nation from the White House Treaty Room at 1:00 p.m. Eastern Time, on Oct. 7, 2001, President George W. Bush announced the beginning of Operation Enduring Freedom against the Taliban regime and al-Qaeda in Afghanistan. The joint U,.S.-British air assault would be followed within days by a ground assault, which involved mostly Afghan forces. Bush's remarks follow. Good afternoon. On my orders, the United States military has begun strikes against al Qaeda terrorist training camps and military installations of the Taliban regime in Afghanistan. These carefully targeted actions are designed to disrupt the use of Afghanistan as a terrorist base of operations, and to attack the military capability of the Taliban regime.
We are joined in this operation by our staunch friend, Great Britain. Other close friends, including Canada, Australia, Germany and France, have pledged forces as the operation unfolds. More than 40 countries in the Middle East, Africa, Europe and across Asia have granted air transit or landing rights. Many more have shared intelligence. We are supported by the collective will of the world.
More than two weeks ago, I gave Taliban leaders a series of clear and specific demands: Close terrorist training camps; hand over leaders of the al Qaeda network; and return all foreign nationals, including American citizens, unjustly detained in your country. None of these demands were met. And now the Taliban will pay a price. By destroying camps and disrupting communications, we will make it more difficult for the terror network to train new recruits and coordinate their evil plans.
Initially, the terrorists may burrow deeper into caves and other entrenched hiding places. Our military action is also designed to clear the way for sustained, comprehensive and relentless operations to drive them out and bring them to justice.
At the same time, the oppressed people of Afghanistan will know the generosity of America and our allies. As we strike military targets, we'll also drop food, medicine and supplies to the starving and suffering men and women and children of Afghanistan.
The United States of America is a friend to the Afghan people, and we are the friends of almost a billion worldwide who practice the Islamic faith. The United States of America is an enemy of those who aid terrorists and of the barbaric criminals who profane a great religion by committing murder in its name.
This military action is a part of our campaign against terrorism, another front in a war that has already been joined through diplomacy, intelligence, the freezing of financial assets and the arrests of known terrorists by law enforcement agents in 38 countries. Given the nature and reach of our enemies, we will win this conflict by the patient accumulation of successes, by meeting a series of challenges with determination and will and purpose.
Today we focus on Afghanistan, but the battle is broader. Every nation has a choice to make. In this conflict, there is no neutral ground. If any government sponsors the outlaws and killers of innocents, they have become outlaws and murderers, themselves. And they will take that lonely path at their own peril.
I'm speaking to you today from the Treaty Room of the White House, a place where American Presidents have worked for peace. We're a peaceful nation. Yet, as we have learned, so suddenly and so tragically, there can be no peace in a world of sudden terror. In the face of today's new threat, the only way to pursue peace is to pursue those who threaten it.
We did not ask for this mission, but we will fulfill it. The name of today's military operation is Enduring Freedom. We defend not only our precious freedoms, but also the freedom of people everywhere to live and raise their children free from fear.
I know many Americans feel fear today. And our government is taking strong precautions. All law enforcement and intelligence agencies are working aggressively around America, around the world and around the clock. At my request, many governors have activated the National Guard to strengthen airport security. We have called up Reserves to reinforce our military capability and strengthen the protection of our homeland.
In the months ahead, our patience will be one of our strengths -- patience with the long waits that will result from tighter security; patience and understanding that it will take time to achieve our goals; patience in all the sacrifices that may come.
Today, those sacrifices are being made by members of our Armed Forces who now defend us so far from home, and by their proud and worried families. A Commander-in-Chief sends America's sons and daughters into a battle in a foreign land only after the greatest care and a lot of prayer. We ask a lot of those who wear our uniform. We ask them to leave their loved ones, to travel great distances, to risk injury, even to be prepared to make the ultimate sacrifice of their lives. They are dedicated, they are honorable; they represent the best of our country. And we are grateful.
To all the men and women in our military -- every sailor, every soldier, every airman, every coastguardsman, every Marine -- I say this: Your mission is defined; your objectives are clear; your goal is just. You have my full confidence, and you will have every tool you need to carry out your duty.
I recently received a touching letter that says a lot about the state of America in these difficult times -- a letter from a 4th-grade girl, with a father in the military: "As much as I don't want my Dad to fight," she wrote, "I'm willing to give him to you."
This is a precious gift, the greatest she could give. This young girl knows what America is all about. Since September 11, an entire generation of young Americans has gained new understanding of the value of freedom, and its cost in duty and in sacrifice.
The battle is now joined on many fronts. We will not waver; we will not tire; we will not falter; and we will not fail. Peace and freedom will prevail.
Thank you. May God continue to bless America.
Nothing our troops fight for is 'for nothing'
Just like you (from whatever nation you may be from) support your troops for protecting you from what they believe is a threat, our troops do the same for us, and from the beginning of the War til now they will always be appreciated for it
Just like you (from whatever nation you may be from) support your troops for protecting you from what they believe is a threat, our troops do the same for us, and from the beginning of the War til now they will always be appreciated for it
This seems a rather make-believe story. If the US knew about the plans why didn't they take steps to forestall it???
It reflects on the failure of CIA....and evidently Bush who is to be blamed for failing to protect his people and the country.
this sounds like 'More loyal than the King''!! Do you think the Afghans will trust your word?? No, they are tooo
tribal and nationalistic.
Bush merely trying to give a sentimental touch to his speech! Her father and his father and everybody's father is a father for her/him/they. The Afghan soldiers and Pakistani soldiers are also fighting besides NATO forces
and their children also express the same feelings.
It's getting 10 years and neither the war has ended nor peace brought to the world!! On the other, the US is seeking to back off and leave the world in greater chaos and terror!! Not a good move that Mr Bush erred to make!! Sorry! Nothing impressive nor assuaging in the said speech!
Thursday, Dec 16, 2010 09:12 ET Obama Afghan review: Stay the course
By Justin Elliott
President Obama
The White House today released a summary of the results of its Afghan war review (the full version is classified), attempting to put a positive spin on a war that is claiming more American lives and dollars than ever before.
The review summary offers no specifics or evidence to back up its conclusions, but here is the key paragraph:
Specific components of our strategy for Afghanistan and Pakistan are working well and there are notable operational gains. Most important, al-Qa’ida’s senior leadership in Pakistan is weaker and under more sustained pressure than at any other point since it fled Afghanistan in 2001. In Pakistan, we are laying the foundation for a strategic partnership based on mutual respect and trust, through increased dialogue, improved cooperation, and enhanced exchange and assistance programs. And in Afghanistan, the momentum achieved by the Taliban in recent years has been arrested in much of the country and reversed in some key areas, although these gains remain fragile and reversible.
The review also falls back on the "beginning of withdrawal" date that President Obama first set out in his speech at West Point a year ago. "[O]ur strategy in Afghanistan is setting the conditions to begin the responsible reduction of U.S. forces in July 2011," the review says.
As most people know by now, that date is virtually meaningless, as it has never been paired with specifics about how many of the 100,000 U.S. troops in the country will be sent home. And the administration has also been talking about keeping troops in Afghanistan until at least 2014.
As we predicted yesterday in our piece offering context about the state of the war, Obama's review does not discuss metrics that reflect a grim state of affairs in Afghanistan: that Afghans are increasingly pessimistic, that far more U.S. troops are dying than ever before, that the air war has been stepped up vastly, and that we are now spending $120 billion annually in Afghanistan.
Meanwhile, another Afghanistan report just came out that will not be getting as much press attention: the Red Cross has concluded that the problems of civilian casualties, internal displacement, and lack of access to medical care have all gotten worse.
Accountable
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The war's claiming more lives than ever before?? According to this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_military_casualties_of_war#Wars_ranked_by_total_deaths
There's a conflict or two that squeaked ahead by a few thousand ... or hundred thousand ... give or take. A couple of them were actually declared wars.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_military_casualties_of_war#Wars_ranked_by_total_deaths
There's a conflict or two that squeaked ahead by a few thousand ... or hundred thousand ... give or take. A couple of them were actually declared wars.
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