Aerial wolf hunting?

[Goat Whisperer]

I have a friend who is going aeriel wolf hunting next month. She says it's to regulate the wolf population. Do you agree with aerial wolf hunting? Why or why not? I'm not sure, because I can get almost no opinion from the other side (AKA it's not bad thing to do) anywhere on the internet.

 

[Tangerine]

Thinning populations in the wild is sometimes necessary to save and improve the lives of other animals. I can't imagine anyone who cannot comprehend that.

 

[Goat Whisperer]

No I understand why hunting is important. In fact I am friends with many hunters including this one. But I have read before that they don't have a good gauge on the wolf population in Alaska, therefore they can't know that they need to be regulated. Just wondering what others thought of it :dunno I don't really have any idea what the wolf or caribou populations are like or if aerial hunting is the best method for 'thinning' the wolf population.

I tried to ask her more about it, but she is kind of busy at this time of year so I don't really know anything. Which is why I came to the forum because that is the forums pupose (to get more opinions)

 

[cam elle toe]

They do the same thing here to cull Brumbies and kangaroos. I have no problem with the REASON for the culling...its the METHOD I object to.

They may be "sharpshooters", but if the shot is just a bit off, the animal dies in agony.

Bri, you would die if you saw some footage of Brumy culls....its horrible.

So, no, I dont agree with any "aerial" hunting

 

[ssl]

They do the same thing here to cull Brumbies and kangaroos. I have no problem with the REASON for the culling...its the METHOD I object to.

They may be "sharpshooters", but if the shot is just a bit off, the animal dies in agony.

Bri, you would die if you saw some footage of Brumy culls....its horrible.

So, no, I dont agree with any "aerial" hunting

well, im sure a wolf could bite the neck of a caribou just right so that it does not feel pain.

however, reality states that that does not happen very often.

why do we try so hard to apply humane tactics on other species? it is not the natural way of living for them. to them, it is kill or be killed (both predators and prey). i do not see any clause, especially for pain considerations...

killing is killing. get over it or get out of the kitchen.

:shrug:

 

[Goat Whisperer]

I would think it would be better to do a quick kill trap. When I went to churchill, the natives there showed us their traps, they said sometimes they don't work correctly (which is why they are checked often to see if any animals are suffering) but they usually do and the animal can die almost instantly or atleast within a few minutes. They had killed many wolves using this trap.

The natives were really cool people. They had an amazing view on wildlife. Can't even try and describe it but they did deeply believe in trying to keep an animal from suffering as much as possible.

 

[ssl]

I would think it would be better to do a quick kill trap. When I went to churchill, the natives there showed us their traps, they said sometimes they don't work correctly (which is why they are checked often to see if any animals are suffering) but they usually do and the animal can die almost instantly or atleast within a few minutes. They had killed many wolves using this trap.

The natives were really cool people. They had an amazing view on wildlife. Can't even try and describe it but they did deeply believe in trying to keep an animal from suffering as much as possible.

it is a nice and endearing thought and belief, but nature can be a cruel mistress. :nod:

 

[cam elle toe]

well, im sure a wolf could bite the neck of a caribou just right so that it does not feel pain.

however, reality states that that does not happen very often.

why do we try so hard to apply humane tactics on other species? it is not the natural way of living for them. to them, it is kill or be killed (both predators and prey). i do not see any clause, especially for pain considerations...

killing is killing. get over it or get out of the kitchen.

:shrug:

Because we are a humane species. Do you think its OK for them to suffer because "they're only animals"?

and we're not talking about the survival of the fittest here, as applies to beast in the wild, we're talking about what is supposed to be "humane culling"

 

[Goat Whisperer]

it is a nice and endearing thought and belief, but nature can be a cruel mistress. :nod:

That was their point, they were much more merciful then nature. Part of their beliefs. They put sick animals out of their misery and cut down populations to stop things like starvation from happening.

 

[Dakota Jim]

I am a firm believer in the need to thin herds of deer, elk, etc otherwise in the winter when the snow id deep and the only browsing is on the lower branches of trees there is not enough growth to support the population. BUT aerial hunting is chickenshit and cruel, they run the poor animal till he can no longer run, then kill it.....Chickenshit!

 

[ssl]

Because we are a humane species. Do you think its OK for them to suffer because "they're only animals"?

and we're not talking about the survival of the fittest here, as applies to beast in the wild, we're talking about what is supposed to be "humane culling"

*nature* is all about survival of the fittest.

if the wolves are dumber than hell, they will survive as the fittest until their food supply runs out, then migrate. they migrate too close, then we should "cull" them; hmm, tangent: 'cull' sounds like a dialect of kill.

*we* are a 'humane' species, they are *not*.

should we treat humans humanely? or should we spend our efforts on making sure the wolf population is not staggering or starving?

while i entertain the thought of applying humane ideals across species, nature takes her own course, and it is not always 'humane'. don't you think we should work *with* nature (considering other, more important, issues, such as the environment) instead of working *against* her?

 

[cam elle toe]

I am a firm believer in the need to thin herds of deer, elk, etc otherwise in the winter when the snow id deep and the only browsing is on the lower branches of trees there is not enough growth to support the population. BUT aerial hunting is chickenshit and cruel, they run the poor animal till he can no longer run, then kill it.....Chickenshit!

:homo:

I think they do it coz its "fun" (insert "eyeroll" smiley)

 

[Goat Whisperer]

Well the point of it, is that there aren't enough deer, caribou, etc. so they cut down the wolf population.

What I hate is that the public get to go do it. If it is land management I think that state officials should be doing the Aeriel hunting, and the public can do it in a more sports way (AKA, with their feet firmly on the ground) I think it's stupid that people think they are great hunters because they shot a wolf from a helicopter. Probably much much easier then shooting a deer on the ground!

 

[cam elle toe]

*nature* is all about survival of the fittest.

if the wolves are dumber than hell, they will survive as the fittest until their food supply runs out, then migrate. they migrate too close, then we should "cull" them; hmm, tangent: 'cull' sounds like a dialect of kill.

*we* are a 'humane' species, they are *not*.

should we treat humans humanely? or should we spend our efforts on making sure the wolf population is not staggering or starving?

while i entertain the thought of applying humane ideals across species, nature takes her own course, and it is not always 'humane'. don't you think we should work *with* nature (considering other, more important, issues, such as the environment) instead of working *against* her?

Did you read my original post? I said I have no problem with the REASON for culling, it is definitely needed. Its the METHOD I'm opposed to, and just because they are "wild beasts", doesnt mean we have to kill/cull them that way.

I guess I'm arguing from the kanga/brumby cull viewpoint.

Why do the wolves need to be cullled? Is it because they start to threaten the "human" population?

 

[Dakota Jim]

:homo:

I think they do it coz its "fun" (insert "eyeroll" smiley)

Makes me sick.

 

[ssl]

Did you read my original post? I said I have no problem with the REASON for culling, it is definitely needed. Its the METHOD I'm opposed to, and just because they are "wild beasts", doesnt mean we have to kill/cull them that way.

I guess I'm arguing from the kanga/brumby cull viewpoint.

Why do the wolves need to be cullled? Is it because they start to threaten the "human" population?

And I am not debating the REASON. I am trying to explain my thoughts on the METHOD.

The METHOD does not HAVE to be HUMANE, as NATURE is not HUMANE.

I absolutely agree with the REASON. :nod:

 

[Margene]

I am a firm believer in the need to thin herds of deer, elk, etc otherwise in the winter when the snow id deep and the only browsing is on the lower branches of trees there is not enough growth to support the population. BUT aerial hunting is chickenshit and cruel, they run the poor animal till he can no longer run, then kill it.....Chickenshit!

You know I agree with your position. I cannot agree with aerial hunting. When they finally shoot the poor thing, they may not even make a good "kill" shot and it could suffer for days before expiring.

Abrianna:

It is a horribly inhumane practice. I wish your friend would reconsider.

 

[pinkporridge]

i believe.. nothing should be hunted unless intended for survival.. thinning population happens naturally.. take the fox and the rabbit

fox eats rabbit and reduces the numbers.. less rabbits to eat population of fox decreases.. decreased population of fox increased population of rabbit.. it all goes about in cycles.. its only really when there taking live stock that i becomes an issue. but at the same time... i just cant agree with killing the animal for having natural instincts.

 

[Guyzerr]

The reason the do it from aircraft is because they are to fucking lazy to walk through the bush. With a plane they cover a lot of ground in a very short time. Real sporting. Kinda like sitting up a tree waiting for a deer to meander past.

 

[dt3]

I would think it would be better to do a quick kill trap. When I went to churchill, the natives there showed us their traps, they said sometimes they don't work correctly (which is why they are checked often to see if any animals are suffering) but they usually do and the animal can die almost instantly or atleast within a few minutes. They had killed many wolves using this trap.

A few minutes? You consider that humane? Think about how it would feel to be bleeding out over a 5-minute period, knowing you're going to die. Is that really humane?