A Resource Based Economy

[edgray]

Peter Joseph, Jacques Fresco & Roxanne Meadows speak about the need for the break from a monetary based economy and how to create a sustainable society, and most importantly, why.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IVO3Yt2G1w

 

[KimmyCharmeleon]

Ah I think this is one of my YouTube favourites.

There you go people, Zeitgeist summed up without the 2 hour video length.

 

[retro]

sigh... more zeitgeist propaganda. Haven't I already debunked all this shit already?

 

[KimmyCharmeleon]

Debunk schmebunk. I think it's accurate. There's no escaping it.

 

[retro]

Debunk schmebunk. I think it's accurate. There's no escaping it.

tr.v., -bunked, -bunk·ing, -bunks.
To expose or ridicule the falseness, sham, or exaggerated claims of

The bullshit zeitgeist videos are nothing more than hyped propaganda, with enough facts and half-truths mixed in to delude a portion of the population susceptible to such things.

 

[KimmyCharmeleon]

Cause the way we live now is perfect...right...

 

[retro]

Cause the way we live now is perfect...right...

The way we live now isn't relevant in the discussion over the fact that zeitgeist is full of lies and half-truths... nothing more than simple propaganda.

 

[KimmyCharmeleon]

The way we live is very much relevant. It explains how this world is working right now, and why it is fucking up. Too bad for you you'll keep living on blindly adhering to some authorities that don't actually care about you. It is not lies, it's just you choosing not to believe.

 

[retro]

The way we live is very much relevant. It explains how this world is working right now, and why it is fucking up. Too bad for you you'll keep living on blindly adhering to some authorities that don't actually care about you. It is not lies, it's just you choosing not to believe.

Good God, you're brainwashed. Go back and read the refuting I've done of these videos, and there are plenty of other resources out there that prove it. Plenty of stuff available over at AboveTopSecret... which is amusing, because they're usually the type that would jump all over shit like this if it were factual. But the amount of threads trashing them and proving them to be utter falsehoods are abundant. People that do far better research than even I do.

I'm not blind, and I'm not blindly adhering to anything... but I know bullshit when I see it, and that's what the Zeitgeist videos are, nothing more and nothing less.

 

[KimmyCharmeleon]

And there's plenty of sources and studies that back up what this movement has to say, you're just ignoring it, no?

 

[Springsteen]

People in power don't care about the regular person on the street, shock horror. Business is all about money, will always be, it has never, and should never, care about the common person because the economic situation is not sustainable to stop and tie your shoelaces to to speak. Also that old guy needs to put his teeth back in.

And I don't care who liked/disliked the video/what they are saying, believe what you want to believe. If it's BS, then more fool you.

 

[retro]

And there's plenty of sources and studies that back up what this movement has to say, you're just ignoring it, no?

I've read plenty of the "support", and none of their arguments can stand up on their own merits. Do yourself a favor and read The Creature From Jekyll Island by G. Edward Griffin or End The Fed by Ron Paul, then compare those to the zeitgeist movement videos. You'll find that the zeitgeist videos have some similar content in them in regards to the federal reserve and monetary policies as a whole. However, the zeitgeist videos distort the actual truth in a propagandist fashion in order to further their own agenda. Your problem is that you're looking at these videos as though they're fact, and not coming at it from a critical perspective.

I watched the first zeitgeist video when it came out, and I've rather thoroughly debunked the 9/11 aspects here, and the Jesus didn't exist part of it is laughable at best and not really worthy of my time to bother with. The sources that they used to "prove" this were tenuous and distorted historical fact to a ridiculous degree. But that being said, what was done in the first video makes the second video even more difficult to believe, and that's before you actually put what is in the video against fact. I went through and made points disproving or casting doubt on the first, 30-40 minutes of the second video in another thread here. Most of those rebuttals came from content found in the two books that I mentioned above.

The fact of the matter is that these videos and the "movement" that sprung up out of them are nothing but propaganda in order to further a flawed agenda.

 

[edgray]

sigh... more zeitgeist propaganda. Haven't I already debunked all this shit already?

No, you've never actually even attempted to debunk anything, just throw stupid statements at it.

tr.v., -bunked, -bunk·ing, -bunks.
To expose or ridicule the falseness, sham, or exaggerated claims of

The bullshit zeitgeist videos are nothing more than hyped propaganda, with enough facts and half-truths mixed in to delude a portion of the population susceptible to such things.

hyped propaganda? how so? Please, tell me where in this video they are wrong.

You carry on maintaining the status quo there Retro, and proudly show your support of poverty, injustice, inequality, starvation, slavery and all those lovely things that our current systems bring us.

 

[edgray]

People in power don't care about the regular person on the street, shock horror. Business is all about money, will always be, it has never, and should never, care about the common person because the economic situation is not sustainable to stop and tie your shoelaces to to speak. Also that old guy needs to put his teeth back in.

And I don't care who liked/disliked the video/what they are saying, believe what you want to believe. If it's BS, then more fool you.

Well said. Anyone that cannot see the need for change, major change, is one seriously deluded individual.

 

[KimmyCharmeleon]

There are so many people in this world who could be better off if we just organised ourselves a bit better and stopped being selfish pricks...

 

[edgray]

There are so many people in this world who could be better off if we just organised ourselves a bit better and stopped being selfish pricks...

Pretty much everyone bar the top 5% I expect. Plus not to mention that absolute need to build a sustainable world, something which a monetary system simply could not allow.

 

[Springsteen]

If businesses (major ones) started to care about the common person, they would go bust. It can't do it, simple as, for purely economic reasons. Should it be that way? You could argue all day long quoting whoever and still get nowhere because the moral issue of it is too big, but the financial reasons are clear. Sure businesses are grateful you buy whatever from them, but they don't care that because you bought this.....let's say you bought this huge super duper storage device from Sony for £500 and then found you couldn't afford the rent because you had bought the megabyte storage thingy, and then got evicted, that's not Sony's fault, that is yours for buying it. Consumers are stupid in that sense for being sucked in. I don't have a clue who I'm agreeing with here, by the way.

There are so many people in this world who could be better off if we just organised ourselves a bit better and stopped being selfish pricks...

I agree people should stop buying things they can't afford.

 

[KimmyCharmeleon]

I would've thought that CEOs at the top could live without a $500,000 salary and bring it down to be fair.

 

[Springsteen]

It depends how much they do at the company.

If you have a company that is millions and millions of dollars in the black, producing great great things and making a lot of people happy then the CEO deserves it for being such a great businessman/woman.

If not, you're fired. Get out. And don't come back.

 

[edgray]

If businesses (major ones) started to care about the common person, they would go bust. It can't do it, simple as, for purely economic reasons. Should it be that way? You could argue all day long quoting whoever and still get nowhere because the moral issue of it is too big, but the financial reasons are clear. Sure businesses are grateful you buy whatever from them, but they don't care that because you bought this.....let's say you bought this huge super duper storage device from Sony for £500 and then found you couldn't afford the rent because you had bought the megabyte storage thingy, and then got evicted, that's not Sony's fault, that is yours for buying it. Consumers are stupid in that sense for being sucked in. I don't have a clue who I'm agreeing with here, by the way.

I agree people should stop buying things they can't afford.

Consumerism is something that needs to change drastically. Our value system is so flawed, and of course completely unsustainable.

As for business, part of the problem, well, the entire problem, is that there isn't any money in solving societies problems. The profit drive just isn't there. That's why it needs to go.

I would've thought that CEOs at the top could live without a $500,000 salary and bring it down to be fair.

Yeah that selfishness has a lot to do with the problem. No one does THAT much work to justify those kinds of salaries.

It depends how much they do at the company.

If you have a company that is millions and millions of dollars in the black, producing great great things and making a lot of people happy then the CEO deserves it for being such a great businessman/woman.

If not, you're fired. Get out. And don't come back.

No one does THAT much work. There simply aren't enough hours in the day. The CEO isn't normally the one producing anything. His workers produce. He sits in an office and tries not to make stupid decisions.