A nice lettle site about the REAL effects of marijuana

[Sneakiecat]

See, that site holds more weight with me because it is prfessionally done and has research that I can look at and then make a decision for myself. Once again, I never said that I outright disagreed with what the first site was saying but more of the way it was saying it.

 

[Sneakiecat]

Sneakie, just because someone did pot first doesn't mean it is a "gateway drug." The ONLY reason I could see it being called that is because it is usually the first illegal drug that people try. Once someone tries something illegal, and they see that its 'not that bad', they are more likely to go and try other illegal substances. That is the only reason I would ever say that pot is a "gateway drug." But smoking pot itself does NOT make someone crave crystal meth or cocaine or acid. That's why I feel the term gateway drug is misleading.

That's what I meant. He was around drugs, thought he could handled it, and went too far. Sorry I didn't phrase it better.

 

[TheOriginalJames]

Sneakie, just because someone did pot first doesn't mean it is a "gateway drug." The ONLY reason I could see it being called that is because it is usually the first illegal drug that people try. Once someone tries something illegal, and they see that its 'not that bad', they are more likely to go and try other illegal substances. That is the only reason I would ever say that pot is a "gateway drug." But smoking pot itself does NOT make someone crave crystal meth or cocaine or acid. That's why I feel the term gateway drug is misleading.

That's exactly why it's called a gateway drug... lol

 

[Sneakiecat]

Just because this guy doesn't back up his info doesn't mean it isn't true...pot smokers everywhere know this stuff, these aren't his original ideas. Just because the dude doesn't write well doesn't mean he isn't smart either. My IQ is in the high 140s but I have my days as well where my grammar is shitty. Some people are math people, some people are english people. Just because you aren't good at both doesn't mean you aren't smart. But that shouldn't matter. If you want I can find you a site with some proof, just because this guy doesn't have it cited doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

I agree, just because he doesn't back it up doesn't make it false. But if you are trying to convince someone of something and there is proof, why not add it in? And yes, you can be smart without good English skills, but if you want people to take you seriously, good English skills are a big plus.

 

[TheOriginalJames]

Ok. So let me ask you this CM and Clare. Who should I believe?

I will most likely never, ever try pot just because I've smelled it and I think it stinks like hell, but you have unsponsored ex and/or current pot heads who enjoy it regularly and recreationally who say it does absolutely nothing to you.

Then you have scientific studies and research of which every ex or current pot head screams upon reading it; "It's biased by the government!".

I mean, I don't believe everything I read but I tend to lean towards believing a study that was introduced by several scientists and doctors over that of some guy who wrote one hell of a pathetically laid out page on the internet.

Pot heads seem to be so paranoid that they stop trusting anything that might be politically skewed and biased for the governments cause.

If you can prove to me that your lungs don't get damaged by inhaling marijuana, then I will never enter another MJ debate.

 

[BreakfastSurreal]

Honestly James, I don't really give 2 shits whether you believe it or not. A lot of people trust the government Wayyyyy too much these days...a LOT of stuff they do is in their interest only, and a lot of studies that happen aren't true. Look at "scientific" studies on prescription drugs...how do you know these are real studies? You don't! And the fact is, almost ALL medical studies done are biased one way or another because they don't just pay for themselves...soemone is paying them, and whoever is paying them is therefore swaying the study with their $$$.

 

[Boomer]

Let me say this. Why does the government only legalize things it can make money off of? If they are making it illegal due to its effects on our health, then shouldnt they make alchohol, cigarettes and fast food illegal too?

 

[BreakfastSurreal]

I can tell you a big reason pot isn't legal. The pharmaceutical companies would probably lose tons of money to pot...it has more benefits than any other herb in the world, and can be used to treat multiple diseases and ailments, rather than people having to take different prescriptions for different things.

 

[Criminal Mastermind]

Ok. So let me ask you this CM and Clare. Who should I believe?

I will most likely never, ever try pot just because I've smelled it and I think it stinks like hell, but you have unsponsored ex and/or current pot heads who enjoy it regularly and recreationally who say it does absolutely nothing to you.

Then you have scientific studies and research of which every ex or current pot head screams upon reading it; "It's biased by the government!".

I mean, I don't believe everything I read but I tend to lean towards believing a study that was introduced by several scientists and doctors over that of some guy who wrote one hell of a pathetically laid out page on the internet.

Pot heads seem to be so paranoid that they stop trusting anything that might be politically skewed and biased for the governments cause.

If you can prove to me that your lungs don't get damaged by inhaling marijuana, then I will never enter another MJ debate.

Tobacco is disghusting too shit, people dont smoke it for what it tastes or smells like. it gives you a relaxing high. thats it

 

[BreakfastSurreal]

tobacco is more disgusting than pot. period.

 

[BreakfastSurreal]

read this article.
Medical benefits of marijuana: government hearings produce surprises Healthfacts - Find Articles

 

[TheOriginalJames]

Honestly James, I don't really give 2 shits whether you believe it or not. A lot of people trust the government Wayyyyy too much these days...a LOT of stuff they do is in their interest only, and a lot of studies that happen aren't true. Look at "scientific" studies on prescription drugs...how do you know these are real studies? You don't! And the fact is, almost ALL medical studies done are biased one way or another because they don't just pay for themselves...soemone is paying them, and whoever is paying them is therefore swaying the study with their $$$.

read this article.
Medical benefits of marijuana: government hearings produce surprises Healthfacts - Find Articles

So now that a government hearings tells you it's not that bad you believe the government?

That sounds a bit hypocritical. The government lies unless they tell us it's good for us!

Can you at least agree with me on that? I'd like to see some non-government sponsored studies on the effects of smoking marijuana, as everyone contends that the government lies. I've yet to see a government study done within the past 17 years that says smoking pot is more dangerous for you than cigarettes.

Anyway, I'm just curious as to your point of view on this stuff...

The fact that alcohol gives you that buzzed and drunk feeling allowing you to relax and relieve your stress, just like marijuana does, makes alcohol worse for you? (as you mentioned earlier)

I know this is personal opinion and neither of us will change each others opinions, but cigarette smoke smells a lot better than (TO ME) what smells like dried (literal) weeds being burnt when pot is smoked. I've smelled it several times and I can't stand the smell of it.

 

[Boomer]

For some reason everyone who is against pot, chooses to ignore my question. My case rests.

 

[BreakfastSurreal]

So now that a government hearings tells you it's not that bad you believe the government?

That sounds a bit hypocritical. The government lies unless they tell us it's good for us!

Can you at least agree with me on that? I'd like to see some non-government sponsored studies on the effects of smoking marijuana, as everyone contends that the government lies. I've yet to see a government study done within the past 17 years that says smoking pot is more dangerous for you than cigarettes.

Anyway, I'm just curious as to your point of view on this stuff...

The fact that alcohol gives you that buzzed and drunk feeling allowing you to relax and relieve your stress, just like marijuana does, makes alcohol worse for you? (as you mentioned earlier)

I know this is personal opinion and neither of us will change each others opinions, but cigarette smoke smells a lot better than (TO ME) what smells like dried (literal) weeds being burnt when pot is smoked. I've smelled it several times and I can't stand the smell of it.

you're way off base here. I never said that EVERYTHING the government says is a lie. If that were true, then they'd surely be out of business nad have a lot of angry people on their hands. They are smart about that shit. They lie where they know they can get away with it, because they know the majority of citizens would agree with them because they are "brainwashed" in a sense by propoganda that the GOVERNMENT feeds them. And I never said anything about the governemnt themselves conducting studies...they RARELY do that. They always get the big buck companies who are lobbying them and feeding them millions every year to do the studies for them. Seriously, I even learned about this stuff in school...yous hould seriously watch more Lou Dobbs on CNN if you think the government isn't out for it's own damn moneygrubbing interest.

 

[TheOriginalJames]

Nah I find Lou to be a pesimistic soul who will report anything, from lies to actual news. I don't much trust neither him or Bill O'Reilly.

But anyway, good debate.

I'm done, and I still believe that the smoke from MJ harms you like cig smoke does, maybe not as much unless you smoke it that much.

but it doesn't matter really. I let pot heads be pot heads.

 

[OUZBnd]

Hmm, i saw this on the history channel, but i don't remember all the specifics. Basically the reason why pot was never legalized was something related to illegal immigration, and coins that would be issued to purchase pot. There was a time though that they were preparing to legalize (tax) it, but something fell through. Sorry, i don't remember the specific details, this was a while ago.

 

[BreakfastSurreal]

yes ive seen that. It had a lot to do with minorities at the time..mexican immigrants and african americans smoking it, therefore making it automatically an evil drug during that time period.

 

[IntruderLS1]

I've been around a lot of drugs. I haven't done a lot, but I've seen way more than my share. In my experiance, the reason Pot is called the gateway is because it's almost universally the first foray into the illegal drugs world. You buy it. You smoke it. You like it. You buy some more. You get to know people with access to bigger better high's. Hook. Line. Sinker.

ALL of my friends who chose to smoke out daily in HS have gone nowhere in life. One works minimum wage. One lives at home and doesn't work at all. The other is a bum. In 10th grade, we were all on fairly equal ground. Arguably, the drug addicts were the smartest of us back then.

Also in my observation, when thy go clean, their lives start to come together extreemly quickly. When they fall back into it, they regress overnight.

To the comment of trusting the government WAY too much... We are supposed to run our government, and I don't believe they always act in our best interest, but I fail to see the value of fooling everybody into thinking this plant is of the devil. It'd be a HUGE tax boost to the economy if they regulated it. Who among us wouldn't try it in a bar once or twice?

The government doesn't want us doing it, because it turns us into lazy bums who only look forward to the next high. No strong working people. No strong working government. No strong healthy children. No future nation. Extreem example sure, but I'm using it as an illustration so don't get too choked about it.

Not really interested in arguing. You guys have made your points. I just thought I would throw out some things that I've seen in life.

PS: Have you ever talked to an old toker? Tell me you can't tell what they've been doing their whole lives. Pfff.... Good for you... LOL

 

[BreakfastSurreal]

Well I guess there are exceptions to every rule. I didn't smoke out every day in HS, hell I didn't even try the shit until I turned 18...and neither did my fiance. But if you know how to lead a successful life, and have done it before, then pot is not going to keep you from doing it. Lazy people are just that....drugs or not, if someone doesn't want to succeed, they aren't going to. My fiance has a really good job, and never had any problems with pot interfering there. Yes, I know some dumb pot heads who don't do shit...but I don't think it's the pot. They are just dumb lazy people in general.

 

[Peter Parka]

Well heres my two cents on the topic. While I smoke pot from time to time myself and have no problem with people smoking it sensibly, the fact remains that it can cause lung cancer, paranoia and schitzophrenia. However it is one of the safer drugs to do. It is not physically adictive and it is true the government twists their reports to scare people off it and make it look a lot worse than it is. The fact is that the most dangerous drug to do is alcohol but because the governmemnt makes loads of money off it in taxes it is socially acceptable. Regardless of this though I think its very irresponsible of that guy to promote pot and even worse that he's doing it to kids. I have no problem with people smoking pot but it's not something I would encorage them to do, the same as I wouldn't try and encorage people to drink, smoke or eat in MacDonalds.