A Call to Ban Smoking in Cars (With Children)

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Under a City Council proposal, New York City would prohibit smoking in cars where children are riding, joining the ranks of Arkansas, Louisiana, Puerto Rico, Bangor, Me., and Rockland County, N.Y., where similar legislation has been passed.
The proposal, which Councilman James F. Gennaro, a Queens Democrat, plans to formally announce on Thursday, would prohibit smoking in cars where a child under 18 is present. Fines would range from $200 to $2,000, depending on the number of violations. Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg, who pushed through a ban on indoor smoking in 2003, and his administration have not said whether they will support the proposal.
Mr. Gennaro, in an interview, noted research that shows that children inhale and are harmed by second-hand smoke even when the windows in a car are open. “It is my belief that people’s right to privacy doesn’t extend to force-feeding their children cigarettes within the confines of the car,” he said.
In 2006, Arkansas became the first state in the country to ban smoking in cars with children present. The law applies to children who are under age 6 and weigh less than 60 pounds, who were already required to wear a safety seat. The Louisiana ban, also enacted in 2006, applies to children 12 and younger. The Puerto Rican law, which took effect this year, applies to children 13 and younger.
In January, as Pam Belluck of The Times reported, the City Council in Bangor, Maine’s third largest city, approved a ban on smoking in any motor vehicle where anyone under 18 is a passenger. The smoker can be fined $50.
The County Legislature in Rockland County passed a similar bill in May, as Peter Applebome has reported.
In New York City, Mr. Gennaro’s bill will probably be taken up by the City Council next Wednesday, although it could take months for hearings and votes to be held. Mr. Gennaro last year proposed raising the minimum age for buying cigarettes to 19, from 18, but the Bloomberg administration did not support the measure and it did not pass.
Kathleen Dachille, an assistant professor who directs the Legal Resource Center for Tobacco Regulation, Litigation and Advocacy at the University of Maryland School of Law, said in a phone interview that courts have generally looked favorably on banning smoking where children are concerned. For example, states have banned smoking in homes where foster children — who are under the state’s care and protection — live. Some family judges have made smoking cessation a precondition of child custody as well.
Professor Dachille said she was unaware of legal challenges to laws banning smoking in cars with children, but added, “I think the public health community and tobacco control community are treading in some dangerous waters, because people’s zone of privacy is important.”
Mr. Gennaro’s smoking proposal has been the subject of reports in The New York Post and The New York Sun. The Sun quoted Mr. Bloomberg as saying this year, in response to the Rockland County bill, “If it’s a child in the car, who doesn’t have the ability to speak up and protect themselves, then society does start to have an interest.” According to The Sun, the mayor added, “We do have a responsibility to provide a health environment for our children and I would just urge anybody, if you have children at home, don’t smoke at home, don’t smoke in your car with your child; you really are damaging your child’s health.”


A Call to Ban Smoking in Cars (With Children) - City Room - Metro - New York Times Blog

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I agree with it but I don't see why it should be banned if you're still allowed to smoke around kids in private homes as well, though that would probably be harder to enforce.
 

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as a (former) smoker who had a wild weekend and now smokes like its my job....

i would never ever ever ever smoke in a car with a child...
if i have david with me, i will settle him in the booster with something to read or listen to.. and smoke outside the car before i get in...

i would fine them more-- a childs lungs are worth it!
 

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I agree with it but I don't see why it should be banned if you're still allowed to smoke around kids in private homes as well, though that would probably be harder to enforce.



i agree.. BUT cars are much smaller than most homes... and not as much ventilation...
 

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The smoke that the kids breathes in would still do as much damage though, maybe not in Summer when all the windows are open but certainly in winter when the're all shut. Personally, regardless of the fact I don't have kids I don't smoke indoors, I go into my hallway for that. For one, the missus dosen't like it and secondly I don't like having a smelly flat with yellow ceilings.
The've been cracking down a lot here the last year, now you're not allowed to smoke in any public enclosed areas including pubs and last week they put the age limit for buying cigarettes up from 16 to 18.
 

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I wish they'd just make tobacco illegal period.

Why should someone not be allowed to smoke if they are responsible about where they do it and don't hurt anyone with it? I would still smoke regardless, I'm an adult and quite responsible enough to make my own mind up about it, I don't see it as any of the governments business.
 

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Why should someone not be allowed to smoke if they are responsible about where they do it and don't hurt anyone with it? I would still smoke regardless, I'm an adult and quite responsible enough to make my own mind up about it, I don't see it as any of the governments business.
I'm just tired of all the deaths by it, how the health problems clog up the health care system, how it is another reason health care costs/insurance are more expensive, watching people struggle with their addiction of it when they want to quit - it's sad - and it just nerves me is all.
 

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Well we don't have health insurance over here that have premiums that go up because of smokers, it's paid for by taxes. Don't your insurance premiums vary regarding to certain things like being a smoker, drinker , having a risky job or participating in dangerous sports? That would make more sense to me.
 

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Well we don't have health insurance over here that have premiums that go up because of smokers, it's paid for by taxes. Don't your insurance premiums vary regarding to certain things like being a smoker, drinker , having a risky job or participating in dangerous sports? That would make more sense to me.
Yep, it does.
And individual plans will deny you insurance coverage if you don't look good on paper.
 

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Yes, the consider smoking as a "pre-existing condition" and many times will not accept smokers for the high risk of cancer...
 

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If insurance is paying more for patients and their smoking illnesses you can rest assured they are raising the costs of health insurance across the board to offset their costs. If they didn't they'd be out of business. They have to bring in more than they pay out.
 

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So where do you draw the line then? Are you also going to ban alcohol, fast food, skateboards and other health risks so that your health insurance dosen't rise? They already banned alcohol once in America and look at what a disaster that was. What makes you think banning tobacco would be any less disasterous?
 

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good! Man i wish they were thinkin about this when i was little.
Those damn road trips to BC in my parents smoke filled car, i could never figure out why they didnt roll the windows down. JERKS haha.

i swear i had a smokers cough by grade 2.

"can i have crayon?" *cough* *hack*
 
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