9.8 trillion!

[MoonOwl]

:clap:clap:clap




and retro I am at work, but I will respond to your post later. Thank you guys for having a civil informative discussion. I am trying to get back into caring. I used to be one hell of a debater, but I just am out of the loop lately.

Why, yes you were :nod: Remembering the OldeDays fondly are you?

I have to agree. Civil discussions in politics is quite refreshing compared to what we are used to 24:

*in my best WhineyVoice: That's Not True* *goes down checklist of all things that have indeed been proven true* (sorry y'all private joke between us)

Tho I have no desire to take up ShillSlaying again.... Doctors orders.

 

[Accountable]

It actually started with Reagan, he was the worst of the bunch

But you need to know the past and where things went wrong to get it right now.

You should do the same. Do the letters FDR mean anything? You can arguably go back as far as Wilson.

And the fact that everyone sees the past through partisan glasses adds to the problem.

Actually not everyone does see through partisan glasses, but you certainly do.

 

[Accountable]

I'm all for solutions.

Ok, who in Congress is working for the common good?

First, we have to have the discussion on what that means, because clearly we have opposing definitions in this country.

 

[porterjack]

if i were you i would blame King George, or whichever Limey King was on the throne at the time

 

[Accountable]

if i were you i would blame King George, or whichever Limey King was on the throne at the time

Nah, he was the one that spurred the Great Experiment. :thumbup

 

[Tim]

You should do the same. Do the letters FDR mean anything? You can arguably go back as far as Wilson.


Actually not everyone does see through partisan glasses, but you certainly do.

FDR?

A 1999 survey by C-SPAN found that by a wide margin academic historians consider Abraham Lincoln, George Washington and Roosevelt the three greatest presidents, consistent with other surveys.[122]

Wasn't he the one that signed the Glass-Steagall act which established the FDIC?

Can you imagine what it would be like to get a notice that your bank has been closed and you lost everything? Even though the constitution doesn't specifically grant the government this power, it sure does help... :dunno

 

[Accountable]

FDR?

A 1999 survey by C-SPAN found that by a wide margin academic historians consider Abraham Lincoln, George Washington and Roosevelt the three greatest presidents, consistent with other surveys.[122]

Wasn't he the one that signed the Glass-Steagall act which established the FDIC?

Can you imagine what it would be like to get a notice that your bank has been closed and you lost everything? Even though the constitution doesn't specifically grant the government this power, it sure does help... :dunno

I acknowledged that in another thread, as you well know. Repealing Glass-Steagall in '99 (Democrat President, Republican Congress, for those who are keeping score) was one of the stupidest moves of our lifetimes. I also think trustbusting is a good idea, for those that having a balanced, realistic point of view is hypocrisy.

Did your Wiki article clarify what "great" means?

While FDR did sign one piece of legislation that had long-term benefit, the vast majority of his shotgun, do-anything-just-do-something had no effect, did immediate harm & was abandoned, or did serious long-term damage - great damage, if you will - to our society based on individual liberty.

 

[Minor Axis]

Actually not everyone does see through partisan glasses, but you certainly do.

And you don't. I see...

While FDR did sign one piece of legislation that had long-term benefit, the vast majority of his shotgun, do-anything-just-do-something had no effect, did immediate harm & was abandoned, or did serious long-term damage - great damage, if you will - to our society based on individual liberty.

It's absolutely no surprise you think FDR is a bad guy, because programs for the people are bad, always. Helping tilt the balance of power just a little bit from large powerful business interests to working class folks is a crime. Understood. It's much better if everyone just fends for themselves. And if they are not a big powerful business interest, then tough shit. Because if everyone had done what they should of, gotten their masters, they could all go to work for Wallstreet or Walmart and everyone would be living the dream. :smiley24:

 

[Accountable]

And you don't. I see...

Point it out. If you can, I'll own it.

It's absolutely no surprise you think FDR is a bad guy, because programs that make the people rely on government are bad, always. Helping tilt the balance of power just a little bit from large powerful business interests to larger more powerful government is a crime. Understood. It's much better if everyone just take responsibility for themselves and live within their means, rather than someone else's. And if they are not able to live like rich people without actually being rich, then tough shit. Because if everyone had done what they should have, strived to be the best they could be, they could all go to work for Wallstreet or Walmart or themselves and everyone would be living the dream. :smiley24:

FIXED!

 

[Tuxx]

that's quite a lot of money
a death star would seem p. cool for defense

 

[Minor Axis]

Point it out. If you can, I'll own it.

You own quite a bit of the rose colored views around here.

FIXED!

Lol! Once I called you Un-Accountable and you were offended, so I removed the reference. Now I'm waiting for your apology... :cool

 

[Accountable]

You own quite a bit of the rose colored views around here.

Standard sidestep, as expected.

Lol! Once I called you Un-Accountable and you were offended, so I removed the reference. Now I'm waiting for your apology... :cool

Sorry about that. Moment of weakness. I tried to edit it but the button's not there, so I pm'd a staff to do it for me.

 

[dt3]

You PM'ed the wrong one though, it's not in my section

 

[Accountable]

You PM'ed the wrong one though, it's not in my section

I didn't know there was an organizational chain of command. You couldn't pass the word on to the right button-pusher?? Where's that customer service guy I was talking to last time -- the one with the Indian accent?

 

[dt3]

I didn't know there was an organizational chain of command. You couldn't pass the word on to the right button-pusher?? Where's that customer service guy I was talking to last time -- the one with the Indian accent?

On the bottom of the main forum page, there's a button that says "View Forum Leaders"
http://www.offtopicz.net/showgroups.php?

And of course I forwarded the message.

Then I infracted you for name-calling :ninja

 

[Pabst]

this thread is awesome, it's not even on the rails anymore and seems to have taken a wrong turn at Albuquerque.

here's an idea, argue the topic, not each other? i know, that's too hard for some of you.

 

[Accountable]

On the bottom of the main forum page, there's a button that says "View Forum Leaders"
http://www.offtopicz.net/showgroups.php?

And of course I forwarded the message.

Then I infracted you for name-calling :ninja

:nuts:
Thank you sir may I have another!

 

[Accountable]

this thread is awesome, it's not even on the rails anymore and seems to have taken a wrong turn at Albuquerque.

here's an idea, argue the topic, not each other? i know, that's too hard for some of you.

Okay, fine. But it won't be nearly as much fun. :jk

I'm all for solutions.

Ok, who in Congress is working for the common good?

This is the crux of the problem, as I see it. Large parts of our society disagree on what "the common good" is. What Obama et al seem to define as the common good is societal destruction for many others.

 

[Minor Axis]

Sorry about that. Moment of weakness. I tried to edit it but the button's not there, so I pm'd a staff to do it for me.

No problem. Hugs?

 

[Minor Axis]

Bill Maher: The Republicans on the health care debate- "We can't afford health care cause some ass hole ran up the deficit!"