9/11 - The Conspiracy

[Johnfromokc]

Do some searching around here... there's another thread from a while back about 9/11. I pretty much conclusively showed exactly how Tower 7 collapsed... thought a variety of different sources. Here's a really freaking good article though, and one of the ones that I used when we discussed it previously.

http://www.debunking911.com/pull.htm

Good find on tower 7 Retro. First time I've seen that blog.

Oh, and the Zeitgeist shit again? Been discussed around here before... I really don't feel like posting my opinions and commentary again. Maybe I'll just repost it if I can be bothered to dig up the previous threads.

I enjoyed Zeitgeist, especially the religion section because much of that was verifiable. Some of it was "out there", but simply because some info was questionable, it does not negate the validity of the entire documentary.

I think if there was a conspiracy, it wouldn't have been done with bombs, or fake planes etc etc. Far too complicated.

They just would have put the idea of smashing planes into a buildings into the heads of a group of individuals with anti-US sentiments, provide them access to training, then conveniently elect not to hinder their boarding and flight of the hijacked planes.

Could 911 simply have been "allowed to happen" like a false flag operation to justify a massive military operation? That's definately believable.

Conspiracy theorys can be interesting. To me there are two fringe camps - one is the group that automatically accepts the governments explanation and shuts their mind to any possibility of government misconduct and calls anyone who questions the intent of government "tin foil hatters", and the other are the tin foil hatters who believe in some conspiracy and ignore any other evidence. Both are equally ridiculous and closed minded.

Speaking of false flag operations, it's not like the United States has not engaged in them before. Anyone remember these:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_incident

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

Where the potential for $$$ BILLIONS of military industrial complex profits are at stake, there is motive for false flag operations and it is not unreasonable raise questions.

The big issue with 911 is how our national intelligence could have been so inept as to allow all those middleeastern men to go through the flight simulator training in the fashion they did without raising any eyebrows. Or maybe they (the hijackers) were so clever as to elude detection? We will never know for certain - but one thing we do know is that we as taxpayers have been spending $$$BILLIONS purchasing weapons and other goods from the military industrial complex for the last 10 years as a result of the incident.

War is big business with big profits. People conspire to murder their own relatives for less - so what's a few thousand lives when $$$BILLIONS in profit are at stake?

 

[All Else Failed]

That's definately believable.

No it's not.

 

[Kyle B]

Most of this conspiracy/Zeitgeist crap is the work of people on the internet who have too much time on their hands and think they're oh-so-smart with their doctorate in internet studies.

 

[MoonOwl]

:lala::lala::lala::lala:

 

[Stone]

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Could 911 simply have been "allowed to happen" like a false flag operation to justify a massive military operation? That's definately believable. ...................................

'Allowed to happen' isn't the same as a false flag operation.
A false flag operation is a conspiracy itself for advantage while the other is intentionally ignoring the situation for a perceived advantage.

The involvement is on a completely different level, but as seen, an outcome disastrous either way.

The tell was the immediate suspect of 911.....Iraq, which we later learned had no involvement, but was invaded anyway, after learning of al Qaeda. The best sweet oil of the world exists in Iraq. Convenient? Perhaps. It makes ignoring intel of a terrorist attack believable in order to attempt to control a critical natural resource.

Proving it difficult, believing it easy......given the history that's unfolded.

 

[Johnfromokc]

'Allowed to happen' isn't the same as a false flag operation.

Perhaps - depending on how it is framed.

A false flag operation is a conspiracy itself for advantage while the other is intentionally ignoring the situation for a perceived advantage.

Isn't that something of a distinction without a difference?

The involvement is on a completely different level, but as seen, an outcome disastrous either way.

Exactly.

The tell was the immediate suspect of 911.....Iraq, which we later learned had no involvement, but was invaded anyway, after learning of al Qaeda. The best sweet oil of the world exists in Iraq. Convenient? Perhaps. It makes ignoring intel of a terrorist attack believable in order to attempt to control a critical natural resource.

It did seem any excuse to invade Iraq was welcomed at the time. This was just too perfect, and even though there were zero ties to Iraq, we invaded anyway.

Proving it difficult, believing it easy......given the history that's unfolded.

Very true. When you have the people who accept the governments story and immediately brand any dissenters as "conspiracy theorists" and attempt to shut down all discussion of the issue, government is the automatic winner.

The automatic government "believers" are as moronic as the tin-foil hat crowd. We should question everything government does, especially where military retaliation is concerned.

 

[Stone]

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Isn't that something of a distinction without a difference?


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Indeed.....it allows for the argument of plausible deny-ability.
The politicians 'best friend'.

 

[Stone]

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The automatic government "believers" are as moronic as the tin-foil hat crowd. We should question everything government does, especially where military retaliation is concerned.

Agreed.

 

[Mercury]

"Why of course the people don't want war. Why should some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally the common people don't want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country."

Hermann Goering

 

[Mercury]

Most of this conspiracy/Zeitgeist crap is the work of people on the internet who have too much time on their hands and think they're oh-so-smart with their doctorate in internet studies.

LMAO! That is something I couldn't help but notice as well in some of the things provided.

 

[Mercury]

'Allowed to happen' isn't the same as a false flag operation.
A false flag operation is a conspiracy itself for advantage while the other is intentionally ignoring the situation for a perceived advantage.

The involvement is on a completely different level, but as seen, an outcome disastrous either way.

The tell was the immediate suspect of 911.....Iraq, which we later learned had no involvement, but was invaded anyway, after learning of al Qaeda. The best sweet oil of the world exists in Iraq. Convenient? Perhaps. It makes ignoring intel of a terrorist attack believable in order to attempt to control a critical natural resource.

Proving it difficult, believing it easy......given the history that's unfolded.

Very well said!

 

[Mercury]

There's no conspiracy.Everybody knows the devil did it.

LOL! Dave wins ... as usual!

 

[Mercury]

I think if there was a conspiracy, it wouldn't have been done with bombs, or fake planes etc etc. Far too complicated.

They just would have put the idea of smashing planes into a buildings into the heads of a group of individuals with anti-US sentiments, provide them access to training, then conveniently elect not to hinder their boarding and flight of the hijacked planes.

This is probably more of a believable theory. The amount of people "who are in on it" would be much more smaller.

Funny enough ... for anyone who reads Tom Clancy, he had this theory of terrorism nailed way before 9/11 in one of his books in which a terrorist flew an airliner into the Capitol building.

 

[Kyle B]

This is probably more of a believable theory. The amount of people "who are in on it" would be much more smaller.

Funny enough ... for anyone who reads Tom Clancy, he had this theory of terrorism nailed way before 9/11 in one of his books in which a terrorist flew an airliner into the Capitol building.

Yea, I read that one: Executive Order.

This explains it, Tom Clancy predicted 9/11.

 

[Mercury]

Yea, I read that one: Executive Order.

This explains it, Tom Clancy predicted 9/11.

LOL. He probably was in on it! >.> <.<

 

[All Else Failed]

The automatic government "believers" are as moronic as the tin-foil hat crowd. We should question everything government does, especially where military retaliation is concerned.

there is zero reason to believe 9/11 was a "false-flag" operation

 

[The Man]

Havnet read the thread,
But I like how people call Bush an idiot/ but was so clever to pull off 911

 

[TenaciousDave]

Havnet read the thread,
But I like how people call Bush an idiot/ but was so clever to pull off 911

 

[skyblue]

so,if george bush was behind 9/11 and its proven,could he expect the electric chair?

 

[Mercury]

Personally ... I don't think George W. Bush would have been behind anything ... after all ... how much trust can someone put into a person who is only in power for either 4 or 8 years

But ... let's say in the future that information came out which absolutely pinned Bush as being involved in some kind of conspiracy ... then I would imagine that it would mean certain death for all who were involved.



Personally ... I really doubt there was any conspiracy involved at all. The concept of people coming into the country ... taking flying lessons and then taking over flights to crash them into buildings seems pretty reasonable to me. After all, we know that Islamic Extremists will die for their cause ... what a perfect way to do it. Besides, before 9/11, if your plane was being taken over by terrorists ... one would think, "Ah crap ... bomb on board ... if I just stay in my seat, hopefully the plane will be taken somewhere and I will be rescued anyway.