9/11 - The Conspiracy

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I had a 9/11 conspiracy research "kick" a few months back ... mainly because I was surfing Youtube and I continued to stumble on documentaries on the subject. So I decided to give them all a try.

An interesting documentary I came across was called "Zeitgeist." This had three parts to it ... the first being about Religion, the second about 9/11 and the third about the international Bankers and their power. New World Oder stuff. It was an interesting documentary that offered quite a lot of good questions and information. I would recommend that you watch this (but remember not to take it as pure facts but rather just insight from a certain point of view).

<NOTE! Whenever I watch any documentary, or listen to any political, social or religious speech, I take everything in while remembering that there is an agenda behind the information ... as such, I don't take any information as pure fact but rather bits of information that can be processed as little parts of a HUGE puzzle.>


I watched a few other documentaries like "Loose Change" and other similar videos. They all offered some really good points and some extremely FLAGRANT contradictions but over all it was an interesting experience.

Some of the points that were mentioned in a lot of these:

1.) The passport of one of the terrorists that flew the aircraft into one of the twin towers was found in the rubble of the building. This is rather odd (and amazing). Not much survived all that but the passport did? Is it possible? ... yes, it is ... but rather unlikely.

2.) The government planned this for proper reason to go to war. This one I have a real problem with. Imagine the size of such a conspiracy and how many people would have to be involved. That is A LOT of people to be involved which makes the chances of discovering such a conspiracy that more likely. Not only that, but who in their right minds would plan and execute such a conspiracy? The results from discovering such a conspiracy would mean certain death for ALL involved!

3.) The difficult nature of flying a jet into the side of the Pentagon. Now, having studied aviation to become a pilot, I can see the validity of this, however, it is certainly not impossible. The fact that there are SO many cameras that are focused on that side of the building and that they only released a couple of what was taped (neither of them CLEARLY showing a plane striking the building) is rather frustrating. Since there are still eye witness statements from civilians witnessing the plane strike the building, I still would have to believe that it was plane.

4.) The collapse of the towers. This is probably one of the most speculated and argued evet of the whole 9/11 conspiracy. Many argue that demolitions were used on the buildings to cause the collapse of them and that they fell in "free fall" speeds (as if to fall without even the building's structure below slowing the collapse.) Also, they argue that burning jet fuel wouldn't be enough to cause such structural failure to the steel beams in the towers. There is also a petition of some 5,000 architects & engineers in the world that say that it all doesn't add up. Now this is pretty amazing to me. 5000?!?!? Now that suggests that there is enough information to cause these 5000 some people to wonder what the hell is going on, or that there isn't ENOUGH information for these 5000 people. There is also an animation available that shows the aircraft going into the building, spilling all the fuel within its tanks and breaking the steel beams that was released by (some organization, I can't remember who exactly) that really did a good job.

I don't know about this one ... there is so much information on both sides that make a lot of sense. One thing I don't get though, is why fly a jet into the side of a building .... and then use demolition on it? Why not skip the whole flying a jet into it and just go straight for demolition? OR Skip the demolition and just flying a jet into the side of the buildings, even if they don't fall, there still would have been a HUGE outcry against those responsible.


5.) The military exercises. There were actual military exercises that were happening on 9/11 which caused a lot of chaos and confusion that day. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_government_operations_and_exercises_on_September_11,_2001) Conspiracy theorists would say that these were to keep everyone off track so that the "REAL PLANS" were able to go smoothly. Now, either this is one HELL of a coincidence or perhaps known by the perpetrators before hand (whether it be Al Qaeda or, of course, the government.) How public was the knowledge of these training exercises? Well, Global Guardian is an annual exercise ... so I could see that being known by more than usual. Vigilant Guarding is a semi-annual exercise ... again, not really sure about how many people would know about these exercises ... I wish someone would touch on that.


Anyway ... it was interesting to learn about all of this and again, I don't take any of it as PURE FACT but it did offer some good information. Overall, I still don't see it very likely that any person or group within the U.S. government orchestrated the events that occurred on 9/11. Is it possible that there was some inside informant or spy of some kind that was operating along with the terrorist organization within some branch of Government or the likes? Yes, it is possible.

As a funny side note, during the time that 9/11 occurred, I was in college in a Political Science class called "Political Terrorism." Now, since 9/11 had yet to happen, there were quite a few groups that we students could choose to study and report on. (Environmental Extremists ... IRA and so forth). I chose Islamic Extremists because I felt that they were the most dangerous and ergo, interesting to study. A few weeks into the class was 9/11. The entire understanding of terrorism exploded into new levels of understanding! It was probably the best time to be in that class.

Also, another funny little side note ... there has been a recent rise in youtube about the planes all being fake and were all computer animated images for the news. Yeah ... that's right. There were no planes ... insert EPIC FACEPALM HERE!
 
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Oh yeah ... I totally forgot about tower 7! That is definitely one of the strangest phenomenons of the whole thing.

The arguments involved in tower 7 is that the building was on fire and was stuck by pieces of debris, thus resulting in its collapse. Others argue that the building's fire was not that intense and should not have collapsed at all. This is a really bizarre one. It was also argued that this building contained documents regarding missing money that pertained to Donald Rumsfeld along with other paper work that held a lot of secrets.

Building 7 was a strange one.
 

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you should read the Commission report from the federal government. it is amazing when you think about the withholding of information between any and all parties involved. that and the Fire department,police department, Port Authority and how they were truly unprepared for what was happening.
I did a Capstone report on the uses of communication in this emergency and compared it to the Apollo 13 mission and the Apollo mission had a much better chance in their efforts....sad, really that this could/may have been prevented if certain protocols were followed
 

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you should read the Commission report from the federal government. it is amazing when you think about the withholding of information between any and all parties involved. that and the Fire department,police department, Port Authority and how they were truly unprepared for what was happening.
I did a Capstone report on the uses of communication in this emergency and compared it to the Apollo 13 mission and the Apollo mission had a much better chance in their efforts....sad, really that this could/may have been prevented if certain protocols were followed

I would like to actually. It sounds as if though communication was a HUGE problem ... as it seems to be most of the time.
 

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I have an interest in The Venus Project, which until recently was closely connected to The Zeitgeist Movement, so I've seen the videos you're talking about, though I wasn't watching with as much focus on the conspiracy theories.


It's interesting, definitely. It's horrible to think that any group of people could sit down and determine that their goals were important than the lives of those people in and around the Towers.


The whole thing coming up now about there being no planes seems ridiculous though. Weren't loved ones getting phone calls from people on the planes right before they crashed? I can't imagine that being faked.
 

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I have an interest in The Venus Project, which until recently was closely connected to The Zeitgeist Movement, so I've seen the videos you're talking about, though I wasn't watching with as much focus on the conspiracy theories.

The Venus Project ... isn't that the idea of a society without any monetary system? Or am I totally off base.

It's interesting, definitely. It's horrible to think that any group of people could sit down and determine that their goals were important than the lives of those people in and around the Towers.

Agreed!

The whole thing coming up now about there being no planes seems ridiculous though. Weren't loved ones getting phone calls from people on the planes right before they crashed? I can't imagine that being faked.

Agreed! I was looking at some of the comments in Youtube about this whole new theory and people were saying, "What about all the eye witnesses and the phone calls and such." The responses, "They were all in on it." ALL IN ON IT?!?!?! Yeah, I don't think these people have any idea of how a conspiracy actually works. LOL!
 

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The Venus Project ... isn't that the idea of a society without any monetary system? Or am I totally off base.


Sustainable living mostly, but in the futuristic sense rather than the 'do your recycling' sense. Zeitgeist are more focused on the financial/political side of things, but the two ideas are pretty complementary.


Agreed! I was looking at some of the comments in Youtube about this whole new theory and people were saying, "What about all the eye witnesses and the phone calls and such." The responses, "They were all in on it." ALL IN ON IT?!?!?! Yeah, I don't think these people have any idea of how a conspiracy actually works. LOL!


Sheesh, that seems likely doesn't it :rolleyes: that's right, the government put their faith in the ability of hundreds of citizens to keep their mouths shut about this huge, huge event that they engineered. Very believable.
 

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I would like to know why Tower 7 collapsed. The other two are plausible - but 7? :dunno Makes ya go hmmmmmm.....

Do some searching around here... there's another thread from a while back about 9/11. I pretty much conclusively showed exactly how Tower 7 collapsed... thought a variety of different sources. Here's a really freaking good article though, and one of the ones that I used when we discussed it previously.

http://www.debunking911.com/pull.htm
 

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Oh, and the Zeitgeist shit again? Been discussed around here before... I really don't feel like posting my opinions and commentary again. Maybe I'll just repost it if I can be bothered to dig up the previous threads.
 

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Oh, and the Zeitgeist shit again? Been discussed around here before... I really don't feel like posting my opinions and commentary again. Maybe I'll just repost it if I can be bothered to dig up the previous threads.

Hehe ... sucks being rather new ... miss out on all the good discussions. I'm curious on your thoughts Retro. :)
 

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Sustainable living mostly, but in the futuristic sense rather than the 'do your recycling' sense. Zeitgeist are more focused on the financial/political side of things, but the two ideas are pretty complementary.

Ahhh, okay. I rather like the idea and find it VERY possible in the future.
 

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Ahhh, okay. I rather like the idea and find it VERY possible in the future.


I love it, I'm more into The Venus Project than Zeitgeist but I have a big appreciation for both as general concepts. Obviously there are problems, that I'm sure Retro can't wait to remind me of :p but overall I agree with their general ideals.
 

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Do some searching around here... there's another thread from a while back about 9/11. I pretty much conclusively showed exactly how Tower 7 collapsed... thought a variety of different sources. Here's a really freaking good article though, and one of the ones that I used when we discussed it previously.

http://www.debunking911.com/pull.htm

Good info on building 7! I do love the whole "Pull it" thing! So many different meanings from that phrase but many decided that it meant, "Bring it down! Use the demolitions!"
 

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the chapter I was reading in the Commission report was Chapter 9 Heroes and Heroism. I forgot to mention about the 9-1-1 operators who really out of the loop and made it worse for all involved.
 

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Dear lord, THIS again?


Look guys, there is no conspiracy. It has been disproven time and again.


LMAO! Well, I guess I asked for it since it is a rather "old" subject. Like I said, I don't believe there was a conspiracy ... just wanted to see what people thought about it.
 

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I think if there was a conspiracy, it wouldn't have been done with bombs, or fake planes etc etc. Far too complicated.

They just would have put the idea of smashing planes into a buildings into the heads of a group of individuals with anti-US sentiments, provide them access to training, then conveniently elect not to hinder their boarding and flight of the hijacked planes.
 

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There's no conspiracy.Everybody knows the devil did it.

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Dear lord, THIS again?


Look guys, there is no conspiracy. It has been disproven time and again.


Agreed.....


But I've felt that the Bush administration was either so incompetent there was no stopping the attack, or they were unaware of the magnitude of a coming terrorist attack and allowed it to progress for political reasons.
Actually, incompetent either way, looking back.
 
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