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I think that's a reasonable and honest answer. I definitely believe in God, but, I don't think it's absolutely provable. The same for an Atheist. They may believe in no God, but, still, not provable.
thanks. It seems the only rational way I think. I don't know, my knowledge of science leaves me undecided, and with what I've been learning about multiple universes, parallel universes, multiple dimensions and so forth lately has left me puzzled more than anything.
What i'm trying to say is that I simply do not know for sure either way!
At what percentage do you believe in:
Fire breathing dragons?
Unicorns?
Fairies?
Zeus?
Centaur?
Pegasus?
Cyclops?
Gremlin?
Elf?
Kraken?
Sandman?
Tooth Fairy?
Santa?
:dunno
So if you believe that any of these did not exist 100%, does that make you just as bad as someone who does believe in them 100%
When it comes down to the nut cutting, isn't it about faith in a higher power?
I think people make believing too damned hard! Rules. Rules. Rules. Tradition this. Gotta do that. I call BS. What's to lose in having faith? Nothing. What's to lose if not having faith and in the end, it's all true? Everything. Kinda simple, no?
would you like to explore that question with me sometime in a hot tub on the veranda of a beach house in barbados?Is Love important? If it is, then where did you come up with this information? Is it an instinct, or did you learn it somewhere?
do you sing when you orgasm?
that's a truly terrible argument. We know most of those do not exist because they fly in the face of any rational view of the universe. There are, however, spaces beyond the universe we're slowly becoming aware of that leaves the possibility of a creator somewhere. I'm not talking about anything to do with organised religion here, by the way.
There are no spaces in the natural world for anything on your list.
Not really.
The only way a baptist is getting to heaven is by asking Jesus into his heart (once saved always saved)
a muslim must dedicate his life to allah and do good works in his name
a catholic has a list of things that must happen
Jehovah witnesses are shit out of luck since there are only 144,000 people going to heaven and they are all filled up
and the list goes on and on...
So if someone could prove to you without a doubt that there was a god, it wouldn't bother you in the least not knowing who has it right? I mean what if the baptists have it right and you need to ask jesus to come into your heart to be saved. It doesn't matter if you are good and love god, you will still burn in hell. Baptists believe that all Catholics are going to hell... And Catholics believe that baptists are....
It wouldn't even give you pause that you might be worshiping him incorrectly?
Tim...how about God in a generic sense, since no "organized religion" is right?
Tim, Tim, Tim. See... all of that stuff you just typed out? They're all rules. They're traditions set forth by sub rules. If everyone would just stick to the basics... and I mean the smallest of basics... FAITH.
You have faith that your wife won't cheat on you.
You have faith that your children will love you when they're grown.
You have faith that every religion is mixed up.
You have faith that noone knows the truth.
So, faith is just that. FAITH. No matter which color you choose to paint it... it's still faith.
Peter is gonna come along and wallop us for hijacking yet another thread. 
The argument is exactly correct... you can't see it that way, but it is.
When you say that their is room for a creator (not religion) because of the unknown... you are leaning on religion.
The notion of a creator did not come from science, it came from religion, our own imaginations. I don't care how much you want to remove religion from this argument, you can't. The very idea of a creator or god came from our ignorance of the unknown over tens of thousands of years.
Just ask yourself where the idea of a creator come from.
Peter is gonna come along and wallop us for hijacking yet another thread.
It's not hijacking, it's evolution and natural selection that you witnessing.
That's fine if that's the way it works out...
But the God of Abraham laid out exactly what you must do in order to be saved. And if it turns out that this proven God is that God, then you are up shits creek if you think faith is going to get you anywhere.
That's my point.
Which is also Faith.
No dear, that would under the heading of science.
It's not at all. At least, not for me anyhow, and not for anyone with an interest in science.
Take the tooth fairy for example: as adults we know it's parents who put a coin under the child's pillow. We know that a fairy isn't possible in our understanding of the natural world. The laws that govern the world around us does not permit their existence.
To admit the possibility is just to understand there are spaces for something to be possible. Beyond the big bang, outside the universe in which we live, there is room for a creator, for a God. To say for certain 100% that a creator doesn't exist is to foolishly think you know everything about the universe and beyond. Which no one does, atheist, devout believer or otherwise.
The idea of a creator didn't come from religion, it came from human thought and inquisition. Religion came after.