$1.8 Million Bonus Payout Plan Approved For Hostess Execs As The Company Liquidates

[The Man]

Re: $1.8 Million Bonus Payout Plan Approved For Hostess Execs As The Company Liquidat

So what? I don't give a shit if it was $500

you said, "Who the fuck would pressure for more wages when the company is failing....Perhaps those of ignorance."

Ok you are showing your ignorance.
The company was in debt
The union went on strike as their demands were not met.
If you pose ignorance in an effort to show your debating skills of arguing....it makes you looks ignorant.

 

[The Man]

Re: $1.8 Million Bonus Payout Plan Approved For Hostess Execs As The Company Liquidat

So what? I don't give a shit if it was $500

you said, "Who the fuck would pressure for more wages when the company is failing....Perhaps those of ignorance."

Ok you are not posing.

 

[Tim]

Re: $1.8 Million Bonus Payout Plan Approved For Hostess Execs As The Company Liquidat

Do you NOT understand???

You SUPPORT it when the upper management pressure for more wages when the company is failing but you condemn the union for doing it.

Who the fuck would pressure for more wages when the company is failing....Perhaps those of ignorance.

Who the fuck would pressure for more wages when the company is failing? Apparently the upper management which you support.
Not only did they increase their salaries by 300% in some cases, they petitioned the bankruptcy court to allow $1.8 million in bonuses.


and if you want the honest truth. The union did NOT ask for more money. The workers wages went down during the first restructuring and were going down AGAIN. The union disagreed with how much they were going down.

They did not ask for more money.... I mean if you want to be honest here

 

[The Man]

Re: $1.8 Million Bonus Payout Plan Approved For Hostess Execs As The Company Liquidat

Do you even read your own posts?

2 different posts to two different people...2 different things
You really arent posing are you?

 

[Tim]

Re: $1.8 Million Bonus Payout Plan Approved For Hostess Execs As The Company Liquidat

:24:

I can tell when logic confuses you

 

[Tim]

Re: $1.8 Million Bonus Payout Plan Approved For Hostess Execs As The Company Liquidat

You might do better if you just have the thread closed... :24:

 

[The Man]

Re: $1.8 Million Bonus Payout Plan Approved For Hostess Execs As The Company Liquidat

Do you NOT understand???

You SUPPORT it when the upper management pressure for more wages when the company is failing but you condemn the union for doing it.



Who the fuck would pressure for more wages when the company is failing? Apparently the upper management which you support.
Not only did they increase their salaries by 300% in some cases, they petitioned the bankruptcy court to allow $1.8 million in bonuses.


and if you want the honest truth. The union did NOT ask for more money. The workers wages went down during the first restructuring and were going down AGAIN. The union disagreed with how much they were going down.

They did not ask for more money.... I mean if you want to be honest here

man you really do have a disability sorry about that.

The unions were demanding more money for union workers.....do you follow
The corp wouldn't agree as they are in huge debt...no more investors....do you follow
The union people went on strike....do you follow
Interstate bakeries filed bankruptcy ....do you follow
Failed company...do you follow
Ceos awards are given out.....AFTER THE FAIL....they didnt pressure a failing company...the company failed due to union burdens...do you follow.
To further....its is chump change given the size or the corp......do you follow.
It is chump change to to what the yearly payroll was .......do you follow.
19000 workers at union wages...do you follow
You do the math.
19000 workers/ times wages per hour/ times 40/ times 52
Then either 100M or 160m {i dont remember in benefits}
And what the ceos got was shit...do you follow.
You could take away all ceo wages....and it was only enough to give the workers a 2 cent an hour raise....do you follow.
These awards are fucking chump change ....do you follow/
The ceos were already underpaid....do you follow

 

[Tim]

Re: $1.8 Million Bonus Payout Plan Approved For Hostess Execs As The Company Liquidat

:24: :24:

You are so funny

 

[The Man]

Re: $1.8 Million Bonus Payout Plan Approved For Hostess Execs As The Company Liquidat

See they still had burden from 2004 ...they were not relieved of all the debt.
The unions took em down.
They were unable to recoup as a result.
Had the union not been in the picture to begin with.....none of this would have happened.
The same thing happened to gm and Chrysler.
See it not just the high wages that get you...its the pensions and benefits as well

 

[Johnfromokc]

Re: $1.8 Million Bonus Payout Plan Approved For Hostess Execs As The Company Liquidat

As to TM's arguments:

 

[The Man]

Re: $1.8 Million Bonus Payout Plan Approved For Hostess Execs As The Company Liquidat

You do understand john that the CEOs could have worked for free and they still would have went bankrupt john.
If all ceo wages were split to all workers it come to 2 cents an hour.....are you a fucking moron?...seriously.
There is no need to even bother with the bonus pay.....will that make it 3 cents john?
Use your head dude
I do not believe for one minute that you are a professor of anything John...other than a professor of trolling
lets me ask john are you permitted to give out pro advice on the hvac forum...are are you the one asking for advice?

 

[Johnfromokc]

Re: $1.8 Million Bonus Payout Plan Approved For Hostess Execs As The Company Liquidat

Go fuck yourself chickenshithawk. And when you are done with that task, seek out some mental health help - Obamacare covers that.

 

[The Man]

Re: $1.8 Million Bonus Payout Plan Approved For Hostess Execs As The Company Liquidat

Go fuck yourself chickenshithawk. And when you are done with that task, seek out some mental health help - Obamacare covers that.

So john...explain to us how the ceo wages were the cause of bankruptcy.
You do understand john....that they were way underpaid to begin with right John.
You do understand these were awards{bonus} john....and ideally they got fucked on these awards.
So lets recap shall we
Ceo wages and bonus...less than 3 cents an hour per employee{union worker}
See John the reason they went under was because the big fucking the unions gave em in the past..not so much the present.
They were not relived of all debt..during the last filing ....do you follow.
They were overpaid at the current.
The only fucking John is the union fucked its host....partial pun....it could not be sustained.
They had to keep borrowing to keep afloat.
let me put to you in non professor terms john
If you made 3 grand a week but paid out 4 grand a week for years on end...you will go bankrupt.
Lets say during the restructure negotiations are made...and now you have to pay out only 3500 you are still spending more than you make...even if you brought spending down to 3 grand...you still have your prior debt to pay{as they had not been fully relieved}.
Its called a good long term fucking John....the unions are after all they can get...they dont care if you have to find investors or not to cover their demands.

 

[The Man]

Re: $1.8 Million Bonus Payout Plan Approved For Hostess Execs As The Company Liquidat

It really is elementary John...seriously.
Not trying to sound brash...........but you either are ignoring the truth or are ignorant.
While one is being dishonest ..the other cant be helped...which category are you in John.
Just cant help it?

:24:

 

[The Man]

Re: $1.8 Million Bonus Payout Plan Approved For Hostess Execs As The Company Liquidat

And John...why didnt you show for the chickenhawk thread/ were you chicken?....lets get your feathers ruffled John...ruffle em for us john

 

[The Man]

Re: $1.8 Million Bonus Payout Plan Approved For Hostess Execs As The Company Liquidat

See John what pisses me off is you already knew /then present a lie to the forum with chickenhawk......which supports my position as to not disclose anything personal.
I wouldnt have shown in the thread either...to be exposed a liar...but for failing to show you are now labeled liar and chickenshit.

 

[CityGirl]

Re: $1.8 Million Bonus Payout Plan Approved For Hostess Execs As The Company Liquidat

The debate section has really gone down hill...where is Ed Gray?????

 

[The Man]

Re: $1.8 Million Bonus Payout Plan Approved For Hostess Execs As The Company Liquidat

The debate section has really gone down hill.

I agree....was good for awhile....then "they" began posting again

 

[Accountable]

Re: $1.8 Million Bonus Payout Plan Approved For Hostess Execs As The Company Liquidat

The debate section has really gone down hill...where is Ed Gray?????

Yeh. I Miss Ed.

 

[Minor Axis]

Re: $1.8 Million Bonus Payout Plan Approved For Hostess Execs As The Company Liquidat

The debate section has really gone down hill...where is Ed Gray?????

He's been here, banging his head against the concrete conservative wall. He finally wised up.