“Guantanamo Bay prison should be closed down immediately”.

[mazHur]

Teams from 45 countries came together to debate on a mix of prepared and impromptu motions. The event was a part of the 18th edition of the International Debate Education Association (IDEA) Youth Forum held in Mexico from July 2 to 15.

This topic for the KPDC finals was “Guantanamo Bay prison should be closed down immediately”. Team Pakistan was defending the motion while team Korea had the burden to prove that the motion should not be adopted.

The teams participated in two competitions –the KPDC and the mixed team track. In the former, they represented Pakistan as a team while in the former, they were split up and paired with debaters from other countries.



http://goodnews.pk/2014/05/19/team-pakistan-sweeps-debating-competition-in-mexico/

 

[The Man]

Given all your support of terrorism in various threads..it is to he expected that you support gitmo being closed.
Being you have admitted the terrorists will kill you if they catch you....why would you want to increase your chances of such happening by cutting them loose?

 

[mazHur]

Given all your support of terrorism in various threads..it is to he expected that you support gitmo being closed.
Being you have admitted the terrorists will kill you if they catch you....why would you want to increase your chances of such happening by cutting them loose?

I do not support terrorists...
But I know if they come to know my thoughts they would certainly kill me.

The point is not what you imagine...
the point is what to do with them?Their number is growing day by day, more particularly in the aftermath of your war on terror! If you kill one terrorist another one pops up from somewhere like a phoenix!!

I do not know how far Gitmo has served you to crush terrorism. I dimly recall that some of the detainees released from Gitmo got back to their old profession and in fact some of the Whitey's too became antagonist to American high handedness. Sorry, I don't have the details on hand ..you can google for more info.

Your calling all Afghans and Pakistanis is a wide ball..
only some are terrorists....and these gangs terrorize those innocent civilians who are not with them. In other words peace-loving majority consists of peaceful civilians who cannot combat terrorists on their own knowing that even super power like America and its allies have failed to provide them protection from them


I just banked upon Democracy in saying that grievances be solved through mutual negotiations and not war..

The Afghans should be democratically allowed to choose whoever they want. Afgh is their land and foreigners must not interfere and make rules for them. If this happens the handful of terrorists would get wiped off automatically presuming that good Afghans will not vote them into seats..

 

[mazHur]

Teams from 45 countries came together to debate on a mix of prepared and impromptu motions. The event was a part of the 18th edition of the International Debate Education Association (IDEA) Youth Forum held in Mexico from July 2 to 15.

This topic for the KPDC finals was “Guantanamo Bay prison should be closed down immediately”. Team Pakistan was defending the motion while team Korea had the burden to prove that the motion should not be adopted.

The teams participated in two competitions –the KPDC and the mixed team track. In the former, they represented Pakistan as a team while in the former, they were split up and paired with debaters from other countries.



http://goodnews.pk/2014/05/19/team-pakistan-sweeps-debating-competition-in-mexico/

IF you can try and get the details (video etc) of the debate held on Gitmo by Pakistani aspirants you might get answers to all your questions..

 

[mazHur]

 

[The Man]

Lets start with the statement below

Their number is growing day by day, more particularly in the aftermath of your war on terror! If you kill one terrorist another one pops up from somewhere like a phoenix!!

You admit they are growing day by day but you support them having their own govt and halt the war on terror..that makes you pro terror maz.
Even if they dont kill you..you care nothing about the innocent they slaughter as you want to ignore the problem.
Can you imagine if the entire world was based upon that premise...we would essentially would have no law as it would always be someone elses problem.
Laws are created maz to protect the innocent...the guilty being punished is merely a result of such...with fear being the driving factor.
Laws cause peace and tranquility as we dont have to live in fear..unless you are the criminal.
Savages can not be allowed to be exempt from the laws via intimidation through terror.
Look at it like this maz if you had two children and one child asked for a new bike...but you didnt have the money...so he kills his brother.
Do you buy him the bike...or beat his ass?
The point is you never give in to blackmail unless you control the result.

I do not support terrorists

Yes you do as you elect to let them do as they wish....this would be the same as say you stating that bank robbers for instance should be allowed to do as they wish and be exempt from the law and give them land to operate on..that is supportive of bank robbers as a group.

But I know if they come to know my thoughts they would certainly kill me

You had stated prior you would be killed as you are a liberal muslim if they caught you.
But even with that new denial we still have a major issue with your above statement.
Why should a man be allowed to be killed based upon his thoughts rather than his actions?...you yet you support these thought police while admitting you will be killed .

I do not know how far Gitmo has served you to crush terrorism. I dimly recall that some of the detainees released from Gitmo got back to their old profession

Essentially a pow camp...beats being killed I suppose.
But I agree it didnt do alot to combat terrorism and as you say,,when released they just terrorized again.
My question is without Gitmo what to do with terrorists?...I know your choice is let the terrorist do as the they wish on govt reservations ..but what should America do with captured terrorists?...You even said yourself..they just go back to the old profession anyway.

Your calling all Afghans and Pakistanis is a wide ball..
only some are terrorists

False I have never stated that all are terrorists.

and these gangs terrorize those innocent civilians who are not with them

But yet you desire to let them legally operate and halt the war on terror...that makes you a terrorist supporter.

In other words peace-loving majority consists of peaceful civilians who cannot combat terrorists on their own knowing that even super power like America and its allies have failed to provide them protection from them

You have just described innocent people maz..remember you stated prior that terrorists kill if you are not one of them.
So who do you support...not the peaceful civilians you support the terrorists.
Which brings a point I have been stressing for days...if you are living on a terrorist reservation of free will you are a terrorist as they will kill you if you are not one of them..your statement supports my position.

 

[Jackass master]

Take them 5 miles off the coast of Cuba and let them swim for Florida....

 

[mazHur]

Lets start with the statement below

You admit they are growing day by day but you support them having their own govt and halt the war on terror..that makes you pro terror maz.
Even if they dont kill you..you care nothing about the innocent they slaughter as you want to ignore the problem.
Can you imagine if the entire world was based upon that premise...we would essentially would have no law as it would always be someone elses problem.

[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[aha! YOu took it wrongly. Clearly the so called War On Terror has tended to make terrorism ubiquitous...and it's on the rise in the world!
If you could stop it through war you could have done it during your 12 year war but no. YOu failed and the situation has worsened..
Why don't you think on these lines instead accusing me of being a 'terrorist supporter' or so on??
This attitude is not typical of a debate...you can differ with my views but cannot apply those to 'assess' me personally. That is completely wrong and mean..otherwise what's the need to debate??]]]]]]]]]]]]]]

Laws are created maz to protect the innocent...the guilty being punished is merely a result of such...with fear being the driving factor.
Laws cause peace and tranquility as we dont have to live in fear..unless you are the criminal.
Savages can not be allowed to be exempt from the laws via intimidation through terror.

[[[[[[[[[[[[[[Which laws?? Not YOUR laws,,We live in a multi national world and each country has its own laws..YOu cannot prefer to impose YOUR laws in other places...try doing it in Korea , India, UK , Iran, China or Saudia for a start..and let's see what happens??

Terrorism is a cowardly thing and there are better definitions of it than you have provided ...
War to attack a weak country and occupy it or let it be occupied by your own cronies or ruled by your puppet govt is also 'terrorism'.....You have to give the people their right and outsiders have no right to decide for them. You erred in case of Saddam that he had WMD and attacked his country,,,but got shit except destabilizing Iraq and killing thousands of innocent people. That was terrorism....Now you are in Afghanistan and doing almost the same ...on the pretext that you are after the 'terrorists' and term every tom dick and harry as Talibans,,
Then you know Pak and Afgh are inimical towards each other sharing a long long border ,,,You hit guys in Afgh and they gush into Pak ...which has to suffer the economic brunt of refugee delude..
When our army kills terrorists you say they are 'siding with the terrorists', that they are bombing open grounds. What a baloney!!
After thrusting Pak into chaos you foul mouth Pak as a 'shithole' ....Is that how you pay gratitude to your well wishers?? You are your own enemy...if you be so ingrate and mendaciously biased and crooky..[[[[[[[[

Look at it like this maz if you had two children and one child asked for a new bike...but you didnt have the money...so he kills his brother.
Do you buy him the bike...or beat his ass?
The point is you never give in to blackmail unless you control the result.

[[[[[ Absurd analogy. Even it be taken for granted that such thing happens I will beat his ass..Surely I will not expect my neighbor or the area goon to come fucking into my home and kill me and my other son as well ..or to drone my house....]]]]]]]]

Yes you do as you elect to let them do as they wish....this would be the same as say you stating that bank robbers for instance should be allowed to do as they wish and be exempt from the law and give them land to operate on..that is supportive of bank robbers as a group.

[[[[[[[[[[[[[[again to talk bullshit...there are laws of the land to punish bank robbers..and ofcourse they do not constitute an entire nation..Afghans and Pakistanis are a Nation....you cannot call or compare them with your sweet 'bank robbers'. In fact the one who attacks some one else's house or occupies it is generally understood to be a 'terrorist' ..go figure!!]]]]]]

You had stated prior you would be killed as you are a liberal muslim if they caught you.
But even with that new denial we still have a major issue with your above statement.
Why should a man be allowed to be killed based upon his thoughts rather than his actions?...you yet you support these thought police while admitting you will be killed .

[[[[[[[[[[[[[Again you talk bullshit.. Look at yerself first. You and Stony are so blatantly bent upon calling me a terrorist and terrorist supporter just because of my 'thoughts' ie for sharing my views. Why wouldn't Taliban kill me if i told them they were suckers..and must go to hell?? Why do you guys threaten me of NSA only for my views?? There is thus no diff between you and the terrorists who would kill me for my 'thoughts',,,When I think about the attitude of extremist Americans like
you that gives me 'goosebumps'!!
And ya, how sanctimonious you and your
side kick Stony appear when it comes to that 'BIG BLACK BURLY DOG WHO ASS FUCKED THAT WHITE WOMEN WITH SOME FUCKING WHITEY MEN STANDING BY ENJOYING THE TIE AND POURING COLD WATER ON HIS DICKY TO BREAK THE SAME!!! [[[[

Essentially a pow camp...beats being killed I suppose.
But I agree it didnt do alot to combat terrorism and as you say,,when released they just terrorized again.
My question is without Gitmo what to do with terrorists?...I know your choice is let the terrorist do as the they wish on govt reservations ..but what should America do with captured terrorists?...You even said yourself..they just go back to the old profession anyway.

[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[ IF Gitmo couldn't change the minds of the so called terrorists nothing can...and that only reflects your failure to 'convince' people about what you are on to and what they are on to. It appears from the attitude of some detainess released incl one American that they were detained at Gitmo unjustly .,...why would they say that unless they were hurt without guilt?? Punishments are to make one realize his guilt . But in case of Gitmo the detainess mostly deny being guilty...ever thought why??? [[[[[[[[[[[

False I have never stated that all are terrorists.



But yet you desire to let them legally operate and halt the war on terror...that makes you a terrorist supporter.



You have just described innocent people maz..remember you stated prior that terrorists kill if you are not one of them.
So who do you support...not the peaceful civilians you support the terrorists.
Which brings a point I have been stressing for days...if you are living on a terrorist reservation of free will you are a terrorist as they will kill you if you are not one of them..your statement supports my position.

Nothing supports YOUR position. You give answers to your own questions by yerselves...
YOu live in a condition of perpetual fear....
That is quite normal with the rich....they have most to lose...the poor and weak nothing , except their lives.

The long and short of the story is to let the people of the land decide what they want...not you or anybody else.
If the Afghans want Sharia why not let them have it?? After all you are living with it in Saudia and UAE etc??
If poison is bad for the Afghans it is equally bad for the Saudis but you have different standards for poison....one you call 'venom' the other' 'honey'!!And that is hypocrisy and double standardness..

 

[mazHur]

Take them 5 miles off the coast of Cuba and let them swim for Florida....

Not a bad idea at all!!
Like the Aussies they too would become a distinct nation in the long run.. Try it out, dude!

 

[mazHur]

Take them 5 miles off the coast of Cuba and let them swim for Florida....

"Make no small plans for they have no power to stir the soul." - Niccolo Machiavelli

 

[The Man]

Nothing supports YOUR position. You give answers to your own questions by yerselves...
YOu live in a condition of perpetual fear....
That is quite normal with the rich....they have most to lose...the poor and weak nothing , except their lives.

The long and short of the story is to let the people of the land decide what they want...not you or anybody else.
If the Afghans want Sharia why not let them have it?? After all you are living with it in Saudia and UAE etc??
If poison is bad for the Afghans it is equally bad for the Saudis but you have different standards for poison....one you call 'venom' the other' 'honey'!!And that is hypocrisy and double standardness..

I have fully supported my position with your very posts...Fact is you have made several dozen errors during the last several days in debate..I can go on for days if need be as you have left me much material to use on my behalf.
You will continue to post in a dishonest fashion as an effort "try to be right"...which only gives me more material to use against you.
Your best bet is post honestly as the truth has already come out about your support of terrorism...By being honest you will save yourself much frustration in the process.

 

[mazHur]

I have fully supported my position with your very posts...Fact is you have made several dozen errors during the last several days in debate..I can go on for days if need be as you have left me much material to use on my behalf.
You will continue to post in a dishonest fashion as an effort "try to be right"...which only gives me more material to use against you.
Your best bet is post honestly as the truth is already coming out about your support of terrorist...By being honest you will save yourself much frustration in the process.

There couldn't be a better trickster than you who tries to seek cover by resorting to false and baseless allegations
and twisting facts..

You can whine for a lifetime but that isn't going to change the world,,not even one mind in the least!
Admit that you are a troll and are done with your frail arguments...worth not even a penny!

 

[The Man]

There couldn't be a better trickster than you who tries to seek cover by resorting to false and baseless allegations
and twisting facts..

You can whine for a lifetime but that isn't going to change the world,,not even one mind in the least!
Admit that you are a troll and are done with your frail arguments...worth not even a penny!

What false allegations..and facts have been twisted maz?
You are a terrorist supporter its been proven.

 

[The Man]

You are also an addict of deviant sex involving animals as well.

 

[mazHur]

What false allegations..and facts have been twisted maz?
You are a terrorist supporter its been proven.

The most heinous and baseless allegation that you so unscrupulously laid in this debate forum , ipso facto, is your buffoonery in saying that ''you are a terrorist supporter its proven''...Such personal accusations are against the rules of a debate.....you can comment on the topic or views expressed but not on the person..

 

[mazHur]

You are also an addict of deviant sex involving animals as well.

Nasty! You have a negatively thinking mind!! Arghhh.,,,,,,,
Keep off micturating on OTZ's carpet.!! You and Stone!!

here is a note from some another forum which may help you learn manners....

''
Do not insult other commenters or your host. When I put up a serious post, discuss the issues politely and not the personalities of those you disagree with. For example, I don't mind at all if readers take issue with what I say, but if they add gratuitous insults or slurs (e.g. a suggestion that I'm "disingenuous"), they're likely to be removed or given a time-out. Treat this website as if it is my living room, which, in an intellectual sense, it is. And that means not micturating on my carpet.

If you want to engage in invective and name-calling, there are plenty of other secularist sites where you can do that; but you won't do it here. As Sam the Lion said in "The Last Picture Show,"

You boys can get on out of here, I don't want to have no more to do with you. . . I've been around that trashy behavior all my life, I'm gettin' tired of puttin' up with it. Now you can stay out of this pool hall, out of my cafe, and my picture show too - I don't want no more of your business.

 

[The Man]

The most heinous and baseless allegation that you so unscrupulously laid in this debate forum , ipso facto, is your buffoonery in saying that ''you are a terrorist supporter its proven''...Such personal accusations are against the rules of a debate.....you can comment on the topic or views expressed but not on the person..

Here you object to views expressed in regard to you..while you freely express your views of me.

 

[mazHur]

Here you object to views expressed in regard to you..while you freely express your views of me.

You and Stone started it all.....
Why do you expect me to garland you with flowers and pearls in return for your billingsgate??

Both of you acted provocatively and hatefully towards me personally by calling me a terrorist and threatening and intimidating me by referring to NSA .....

If you have NO argument on the views don't post for the sake of argument alone ,,,,,that is nothing but trolling...
and I hate trolls or intimidated by self centered bullies and cowards. I am a gentleman of the highest degree...even NSA and other authorities know it,,,,you note it well!

 

[The Man]

Nasty! You have a negatively thinking mind!! Arghhh.,,,,,,,
Keep off micturating on OTZ's carpet.!! You and Stone!!

here is a note from some another forum which may help you learn manners....

''
Do not insult other commenters or your host. When I put up a serious post, discuss the issues politely and not the personalities of those you disagree with. For example, I don't mind at all if readers take issue with what I say, but if they add gratuitous insults or slurs (e.g. a suggestion that I'm "disingenuous"), they're likely to be removed or given a time-out. Treat this website as if it is my living room, which, in an intellectual sense, it is. And that means not micturating on my carpet.

If you want to engage in invective and name-calling, there are plenty of other secularist sites where you can do that; but you won't do it here. As Sam the Lion said in "The Last Picture Show,"

You boys can get on out of here, I don't want to have no more to do with you. . . I've been around that trashy behavior all my life, I'm gettin' tired of puttin' up with it. Now you can stay out of this pool hall, out of my cafe, and my picture show too - I don't want no more of your business.

You admitted to passing around animal porn...you enjoy it
You frequently post pictures related to genitalia of animals.
You have mentioned dozens of times about a big dog fucking a white women ending in a tie.

Definition of addict

: to devote or surrender (oneself) to something habitually or obsessively

So yes you fit the definition of an addict as you habitually post pictures and speak of sex between animals and humans...such acts are considered deviant.
So it is fair to say you are appear to be addicted to deviant sex

 

[The Man]

You and Stone started it all.....
Why do you expect me to garland you with flowers and pearls in return for your billingsgate??

Both of you acted provocatively and hatefully towards me personally by calling me a terrorist and threatening and intimidating me by referring to NSA .....

If you have NO argument on the views don't post for the sake of argument alone ,,,,,that is nothing but trolling...
and I hate trolls or intimidated by self centered bullies and cowards. I am a gentleman of the highest degree...even NSA and other authorities know it,,,,you note it well!

You have not been called a terrorist and stone said your posts if seen by NSA could put you on a no fly list...he is correct.
I consider that friendly advice..but you act as if you want to take offense to such at the moment.

Also name calling for context are insults maz such as race weight etc.
With me saying you are a terrorist supporter I am merely gathering conclusion by your array of posts.
Is it name calling if you say to me.."You are anti terrorist"?...Its not as you are only describing my position on the board.