WTF is wrong with society?

Peter Parka said:
Oh, I'm not arguing that Christmas is supposedly about celebrating Jesus birthday. As I've mentioned before, the date was determined so that it was the same day as pagans celebrated something else and was chosen as this when the Christians were trying to convert them and felt putting it on this date would be an easier way of doing so. Personally I don't think too many people see the focus of Christmas as being Jesus birthday these days anyway. From what I've seen it seem to be mainly a commercial festival to give trade a boost these days or to others a chance to get together with family and have something to look forward to in the middle of winter. It really dosen't bother me whatever significance people attach to it though. There's as much chance of Jesus being born at Christmas as there is of a fat man delivering presents down the chimney at Christmas. It just still amazes me in this day and age the amount of people who don't actually know that Jesus wasn't born at Christmas!
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Agreed.
 
Peter Parka said:
Sorry, guess I must have misunderstood your point.
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May I interject.
You are totally correct, Peter. The Bible does NOT specifically point to Dec. 25 as Jesus' birthday. That date was decided upon after collaboration with whomever the powers-that-be were at the time.
What Grace is saying is that the Bible can be viewed as another historical work that can be referenced to try to figure out the events of history. When historians try to piece together the events of a particular period in history, they can and do consult the Bible, among other references, to correlate findings and try to establish historical facts.
Obviously all written works have boundaries of believability. So scholars have to separate fact from fiction. It's the gathering of the same facts from as many sources as possible, including the Bible, that serves to write history.
 
Breath said:
May I interject.
You are totally correct, Peter. The Bible does NOT specifically point to Dec. 25 as Jesus' birthday. That date was decided upon after collaboration with whomever the powers-that-be were at the time.
What Grace is saying is that the Bible can be viewed as another historical work that can be referenced to try to figure out the events of history. When historians try to piece together the events of a particular period in history, they can and do consult the Bible, among other references, to correlate findings and try to establish historical facts.
Obviously all written works have boundaries of believability. So scholars have to separate fact from fiction. It's the gathering of the same facts from as many sources as possible, including the Bible, that serves to write history.
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Gotcha and I don't disagree with that, though there are some things in the Bible that don't really have any evidence. ;)
 
It's like that with a lot of history we don't know much about. Take William Wallace, the subject of the film Braveheart for instance. Most of what we know about him comes from a mythical style poem by a guy called Blind Harry! While it would be naieve to take everything he wrote as fact, when you compare some of it too other more factual evidence of William Wallace you can see more clearly where the facts end and the myth begins and learn more about Wallace through seeing the patterns there.
 
Breath said:
May I interject.
You are totally correct, Peter. The Bible does NOT specifically point to Dec. 25 as Jesus' birthday. That date was decided upon after collaboration with whomever the powers-that-be were at the time.
What Grace is saying is that the Bible can be viewed as another historical work that can be referenced to try to figure out the events of history. When historians try to piece together the events of a particular period in history, they can and do consult the Bible, among other references, to correlate findings and try to establish historical facts.
Obviously all written works have boundaries of believability. So scholars have to separate fact from fiction. It's the gathering of the same facts from as many sources as possible, including the Bible, that serves to write history.
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Thanks for elaborating for me Breath. Much appreciated.
 
GraceAbounds said:
The Bible is evidence of much. What hole do you have your head to think it isn't? Scholars that are millions times smarter than you use the Bible to correlate facts with other findings for factual purposes to understand much about what happened in history as they do with other historical writings.

You truly are lost. And know that I am not saying that you should convert to be a Christian, but what I am saying is that you are so anti Christian you fail to see things that are actually factual and add to our great history.

Your attitude is as racism.
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EDIT: I'm a bigger person than you, Grace. The fact that you even called me racist for that comment really shows me your IQ.
 
Man, this shit gets me every time. The friggen Bible has been twisted and adapted so many times by kings and faiths to fit their needs whos to say which is correct... Tell me how many versions of the bible are out there? This whole The bible is a source of history and facts nonsense is a bunch of bs. This is part of why many nations are fighting over such dribble. Because each thinks they are devine and what they believe in to be true and all knowing.

Last time I checked racism was based on the hatred of an entire race of people. How can one laim racism about Christianity, it effects many races does it not?


PS I hate Bible thumpers
 
Ima Schit Hed said:
Man, this shit gets me every time. The friggen Bible has been twisted and adapted so many times by kings and faiths to fit their needs whos to say which is correct... Tell me how many versions of the bible are out there? This whole The bible is a source of history and facts nonsense is a bunch of bs. This is part of why many nations are fighting over such dribble. Because each thinks they are devine and what they believe in to be true and all knowing.

Last time I checked racism was based on the hatred of an entire race of people. How can one laim racism about Christianity, it effects many races does it not?


PS I hate Bible thumpers
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Exactly. They don't even know for certain who even wrote most of the gospels, they simply gave them names. The bible we know today was simply patched together at the council of Nicene by those in power who had religious and political agendas on what people should follow. I thought any Christian worth their weight in salt would at least know that.

There may be some accurate dates to battles or whatnot, but beyond that the bible isn't a useful source of actual historical data.
 
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