Presbyterians call for end to corporal punishment

[Tuffdisc]

"tap on the a$$" wow, talk about hands off approach to displine....not saying that fear is the answer either, but you can't let the kid rule the house.

Correct, but violence has never solved any problems

 

[skyblue]

Nope and really don't want them. A spanking is not abusive. My friend used to get the belt and he turned out fine.

so that makes it ok?

 

[skyblue]

after school activities

monday.....homework and football training
tuesday.....homework and martial arts training
wednesday....swimming lessons
thursday.....homework and football training
friday....martial arts training
saturday......a day out with the family etc
sunday.....the game they've been training for

fill a childs mind with activities and they dont feel inclined to misbehave.....they have a great time and burn of energy

 

[Dana]

after school activities

monday.....homework and football training
tuesday.....homework and martial arts training
wednesday....swimming lessons
thursday.....homework and football training
friday....martial arts training
saturday......a day out with the family etc
sunday.....the game they've been training for

fill a childs mind with activities and they dont feel inclined to misbehave.....they have a great time and burn of energy

Not true... My cousin's children do after school activities and still misbehave

 

[darkcgi]

once you have exhausted the taking away of stuff
try some very light torture
like get them on the hard floor on their knees with their arms out parallel
or sitting like they are in a chair up against the wall

 

[hart]

I think no church should dictate how to parent kids period..........

 

[Dana]

I think no church should dictate how to parent kids period..........

Exactly.

 

[Tim]

Not only do my kids get the belt when they misbehave, so does the wife. If she forgets to do the dishes after I told her several times there is nothing wrong with spanking her with the belt. How else am I suppose to keep her in-line?
Because i would be a terrible husband if I didn't discipline my wife when she needs it.






:sarcasm

 

[Dana]

Not only do my kids get the belt when they misbehave, so does the wife. If she forgets to do the dishes after I told her several times there is nothing wrong with spanking her with the belt. How else am I suppose to keep her in-line?
Because i would be a terrible husband if I didn't discipline my wife when she needs it.






:sarcasm

I'm sure she'd love to see this no matter how much you're joking.... :coffee You've got some huevos on you.

 

[Tim]

I'm sure she'd love to see this no matter how much you're joking.... :coffee You've got some huevos on you.

I just find it hypocritical that people get all bent out of shape when you hit your wife or girlfriend, like it's the end of the fucking world but don't say shit when someone beats their kids.

 

[Dana]

I just find it hypocritical that people get all bent out of shape when you hit your wife or girlfriend, like it's the end of the fucking world but don't say shit when someone beats their kids.

Beats their kids? A smack on the ass is hardly beating their kids. My belt analogy was merely an example. Do I condone belting? No. It was the norm back in the old days. Did people grow up with resentment? There is a difference between repeated hitting and discipline. Battering your spouse should not even equate.

 

[Tim]

Beats their kids? A smack on the ass is hardly beating their kids. My belt analogy was merely an example. Do I condone belting? No. It was the norm back in the old days. Did people grow up with resentment? There is a difference between repeated hitting and discipline. Battering your spouse should not even equate.

Ok, then is it ok to smack you wife on her ass when she's not behaving? No need to beat, just a firm smack on the ass.

 

[Dana]

Ok, then is it ok to smack you wife on her ass when she's not behaving? No need to beat, just a firm smack on the ass.

Yes if you're ok with her knocking your teeth out... :tooth

 

[usandthem]

I just find it hypocritical that people get all bent out of shape when you hit your wife or girlfriend, like it's the end of the fucking world but don't say shit when someone beats their kids.

I don't see where you are coming from, perhaps because where I live the laws are different. Hitting is assault plain and simple. Your spouse is an adult not a child so it does not make sense to discipline. Also I don't know what sane person would ignore a parent beating their child. There are several countries where using a belt and even corporal punishment is outlawed.

 

[Dana]

I don't see where you are coming from, perhaps because where I live the laws are different. Hitting is assault plain and simple. Your spouse is an adult not a child so it does not make sense to discipline. Also I don't know what sane person would ignore a parent beating their child. There are several countries where using a belt and even corporal punishment is outlawed.

He's trying to equate both scenarios being the same through a thin veil of dry sarcasm mixed with asshattery; saying disciplining your child when they act out is no different that beating your woman when she mouths off.

 

[AnitaBeer]

Just because a child is acting out doesn't mean they need a swat on the ass. There are other methods that can be used before a smack on the ass is needed.
Also, tossing your kid into an overload of activities won't do the trick either. Kids need to be kids. They are going to be little hellions once in a while, that's just life!
It's simply the way they are raised. Kids are going to learn bad habits from other kids and they will most likely try to get away with those bad habits as well, it's the parents job to teach kids right from wrong.
I was raised by the belt. It's because of that I swore I'd never use an object to hit my kids. I haven't and never will. It's so rare that misbehavior has lead to a swat on the butt in my house and i'm proud to say that. Groundings, added chores, loss of certain things, writing sentences, etc...all a great replacements for hitting. I'm also not ashamed to lecture my kids right out in public. They don't get yelled at but you bet your ass the "uh oh mom's pissed" look is on my face and that tone that could scare the devil is being used. Of course these are what work in my house. In some others, a simple time out may do the trick, in another making the kid go out and do community service, in another it could be making the child read from the dictionary aloud. You get the point. There are so many other ways to discipline.
BTW I'm not saying never ever swat your child, but I am saying if a parent is strict and sticks to their guns other forms of discipline can work too.

Also I didn't read the link yet I just had a few things to say to other posts first.

 

[Mercury]

Just because a child is acting out doesn't mean they need a swat on the ass. There are other methods that can be used before a smack on the ass is needed.
Also, tossing your kid into an overload of activities won't do the trick either. Kids need to be kids. They are going to be little hellions once in a while, that's just life!
It's simply the way they are raised. Kids are going to learn bad habits from other kids and they will most likely try to get away with those bad habits as well, it's the parents job to teach kids right from wrong.
I was raised by the belt. It's because of that I swore I'd never use an object to hit my kids. I haven't and never will. It's so rare that misbehavior has lead to a swat on the butt in my house and i'm proud to say that. Groundings, added chores, loss of certain things, writing sentences, etc...all a great replacements for hitting. I'm also not ashamed to lecture my kids right out in public. They don't get yelled at but you bet your ass the "uh oh mom's pissed" look is on my face and that tone that could scare the devil is being used. Of course these are what work in my house. In some others, a simple time out may do the trick, in another making the kid go out and do community service, in another it could be making the child read from the dictionary aloud. You get the point. There are so many other ways to discipline.
BTW I'm not saying never ever swat your child, but I am saying if a parent is strict and sticks to their guns other forms of discipline can work too.

Also I didn't read the link yet I just had a few things to say to other posts first.

Very well said! I definitely agree with these methods.

 

[Dana]

Just because a child is acting out doesn't mean they need a swat on the ass. There are other methods that can be used before a smack on the ass is needed.
Also, tossing your kid into an overload of activities won't do the trick either. Kids need to be kids. They are going to be little hellions once in a while, that's just life!
It's simply the way they are raised. Kids are going to learn bad habits from other kids and they will most likely try to get away with those bad habits as well, it's the parents job to teach kids right from wrong.
I was raised by the belt. It's because of that I swore I'd never use an object to hit my kids. I haven't and never will. It's so rare that misbehavior has lead to a swat on the butt in my house and i'm proud to say that. Groundings, added chores, loss of certain things, writing sentences, etc...all a great replacements for hitting. I'm also not ashamed to lecture my kids right out in public. They don't get yelled at but you bet your ass the "uh oh mom's pissed" look is on my face and that tone that could scare the devil is being used. Of course these are what work in my house. In some others, a simple time out may do the trick, in another making the kid go out and do community service, in another it could be making the child read from the dictionary aloud. You get the point. There are so many other ways to discipline.
BTW I'm not saying never ever swat your child, but I am saying if a parent is strict and sticks to their guns other forms of discipline can work too.

Also I didn't read the link yet I just had a few things to say to other posts first.

That might work for some but this won't work on all... I've seen how disrespectful some children get. We all have opinions. Nobody's is wrong... Except, maybe Tim's :ninja

 

[Tim]

That might work for some but this won't work on all... I've seen how disrespectful some children get. We all have opinions. Nobody's is wrong... Except, maybe Tim's :ninja

What you fail to realize is that kids don't just wake up one morning a disrespectful child. Children learn this behavior over an extended period of time due to bad parenting skills or from parents that don't pay attention to their children.
You only see them when they are acting out and think that they need a good smack on the ass to straighten them out. What you fail to realize is that it's already too late for that, that the parents have already failed in that department and smacking their ass will do nothing at this point except to relieve the stress of the parent.

My kids have never thrown a temper tantrum in public, they have never whined or cried because they wanted a toy or treat in the store while we were shopping. Not because they are afraid of a spanking and not because I am some super parent. It's because I am very consistent with what I say and they know what to expect EVERY TIME. If I say they can't have a toy they just pick up, then they know that they will not get it no matter what they do. I will NEVER cave in and give it to them because they make a scene, that only enforces their bad behavior and shows them that next time if they want something, just cry louder and I will give it to them.

So the kids throwing a fit in the store is only doing what the parent taught them to do... so why spank them? Smack the parents for causing your grief.

 

[usandthem]

He's trying to equate both scenarios being the same through a thin veil of dry sarcasm mixed with asshattery; saying disciplining your child when they act out is no different that beating your woman when she mouths off.

I understand. I just don't think you can compare spanking to domestic violence.

I do think that using an object is wrong and shouldn't be ignored though I don't think spanking in general is abusive. (Even though I do not agree with that method or will use on my kids) Even time out can be abuse if it is not done properly.

Also You will find well behaved and out of control children from parents who do spank and don't. What is important is that you are consistant with discipline and do what works for your kid.