Females in the Military Breast feeding in uniform?

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Never underestimate just how uncomfortable some people are with the female body.
The debate over public breastfeeding got a new wrinkle when two servicewomen with the United States Air Force released a series of professional photos taken of the young mothers breastfeeding in uniform.
“A lot of people are saying it’s a disgrace to the uniform,” said military Spouse and Mom2Mom founder Crystal Scott. “They’re comparing it to urinating and defecating.”
Terran Echegoyen-McCabe and Christina Luna are the two mothers depicted nursing their children while wearing their National Guard uniforms. Echegoyen-McCabe says she breast feeds her twin girls on lunch breaks when she’s on duty, according to MSNBC. As a member of the Air National Guard, she does her best to fulfill her commitment to her country without sacrificing her commitment to her 10-month-old children.
“I have breast fed in our lobby, in my car, in the park… I pump, usually in the locker room,” says Echegoyen-McCabe. “I’m proud to be wearing a uniform while breastfeeding. I’m proud of the photo and I hope it encourages other women to know they can breast feed whether they’re active duty, guard or civlian.
"There isn't a policy saying we can or cannot breast-feed in uniform. I think it's something that every military mom who is breast-feeding has done.”
The photos, taken by Brynja Sigurdardottir, have provoked no small amount of controversy. Even some public breast feeding advocates have suggested that the women’s conduct somehow denigrates the uniform.
What do you think? Why shouldn’t these women be proud to be both mothers and in military service

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Breast feeding is totally natural and healthy for the baby and mother. Since the female breast is objectified in today's culture as sexually appealling it is my opinion if done with some discretion I do not see a problem. I do not see it as disgracing the uniform unless the women insist on doing it in the middle of a public setting with everything exposed for all to see. When I have come upon a woman breastfeeding in a public place I try to allow her as much privacy as possible.
 

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Breast feeding is totally natural and healthy for the baby and mother. Since the female breast is objectified in today's culture as sexually appealling it is my opinion if done with some discretion I do not see a problem. I do not see it as disgracing the uniform unless the women insist on doing it in the middle of a public setting with everything exposed for all to see. When I have come upon a woman breastfeeding in a public place I try to allow her as much privacy as possible.

Heres my 0.02 cents on this. Im in the Army, everyone knows this. I love breasts, I really do. I think they are awesome. I wish we had chicks like theese 2 in the Army who would just expose in public but..but you see theese 2 women did this for ATTENTION purely, and wanted to have uniforms on for no reason. Don't get me wrong, the one on the left is hot. Sheese breast feeding 2 kids at once, it looks cool never seen that before. That's what I call work efficiency. Killing 2 birds with one stone. You cant walk and talk in a cell phone in uniform, you cant even hug a family member or show public displays of affected, have your hands in your pockets or have any stylized haircuts due to it being 'Distracting'. Its extreamly obvious that is distracting, so i dont even understand why they are fighting their UCMJ.

They are being punished by the Uniformed code of Military justice for this also. I mean, they arent even wearing their headgear and they are outside.

Also, I want to point out.They are Air National Guard which is Airforce NG. They work 1 weekend a month, there's no reason why they should have their kids with them. Even if they do, formula for the weekend your at drill wont kill you. Nor will pre pumping in bottles. The fact of the matter is they got STUDIO pictures. They put their uniform on, on a day they werent on Duty and for no reason got theese pictures taken FOR ATTENTION. They didnt just get theese pictures done in regular clothes, they purposely used their Uniforms for the Agenda of the outside orginization they were endorsing using a military uniform. You cant do that.

Dont get me wrong, I love breats. The chick on the left is hot. But If i saw her doing that during work hours just out in the open i probly wouldent get a whole lot of work done.
 

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I am not in the military so I do not know all of the codes of uniform. I do know anything which attracts attention to an individual in uniform is discouraged. As I stated discretion is key to me. Obviously, these photos were done with an agenda. As we have decided from the highest levels in government that our military is to be frowned upon and kicked at every opportunity I am sure this will be addressed by the Commander in Chief at some point. We can be openly gay & flaunting floatation devices as we march toward our eventual destruction. Does that sound like I am being sarcastic? ;)
 

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I am not in the military so I do not know all of the codes of uniform. I do know anything which attracts attention to an individual in uniform is discouraged. As I stated discretion is key to me. Obviously, these photos were done with an agenda. As we have decided from the highest levels in government that our military is to be frowned upon and kicked at every opportunity I am sure this will be addressed by the Commander in Chief at some point. We can be openly gay & flaunting floatation devices as we march toward our eventual destruction. Does that sound like I am being sarcastic? ;)

Haha believe it or not, wheather you can be openly gay or not No one in the combat Arms would ever be dumb enough to admit it if they were.

You see, the fact this photo was shot for a political agenda is a pretty big thing on its own. Theese 2 women were breastfeeding their children in uniform, which Never happens because you wouldent bring an Infant with you to duty... to endorse breast feeding. I think breast feeding is great, its amazing for a childs health but you dont bring your Airforce girl scout uniform out there to support it. This is similiar to me taking a picture of myself in uniform pissing while endorsing Enzyte or penis enlargement (Because its huge already ofcourse) Lol.
 

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Haha believe it or not, wheather you can be openly gay or not No one in the combat Arms would ever be dumb enough to admit it if they were.

You see, the fact this photo was shot for a political agenda is a pretty big thing on its own. Theese 2 women were breastfeeding their children in uniform, which Never happens because you wouldent bring an Infant with you to duty... to endorse breast feeding. I think breast feeding is great, its amazing for a childs health but you dont bring your Airforce girl scout uniform out there to support it. This is similiar to me taking a picture of myself in uniform pissing while endorsing Enzyte or penis enlargement (Because its huge already ofcourse) Lol.


Hang in there! Couldn't resist. I see your point. I hope you understand my sarcasm earlier was in no way aimed at you. I just think our military has become a social experiment for the last 15 or 20 years. You get thrown in situations you should never be in and the decisions are made by those with no military understanding.
 

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A military setting is no place for breast feeding.

You're a woman who wants a career in the military and breast feed your kids when YOU want to in uniform? Simple, don't have kids.

Then again, perhaps in todays military, they really care how you feel.
 

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There is nothing disgusting or unnatural about breast feeding, so I'm not sure what your real beef is. The UCMJ typically defers rules related to the wear of the uniform to Article 92, which is failure to obey an order or regulation. AFI 36-2903, dress and appearance of Air Force personnel governs the wear of the Air Force blues dress uniform, and the ABU (airman battle uniform). Nowhere within this regulation does it talk about breast feeding in uniform, so what exactly did they do to violate the UCMJ?

Have you taken into consideration that maybe these women weren't looking for attention? You have considered this right? Maybe, just maybe they are among thousands of others who have both pride in the uniform, and pride in their family? What's wrong with combining the two. As a prior AF SSgt, I can say that if my troop came in and showed me those photos, I'd probably raise an eyebrow, and ask where their cover was, but outside of that, no regulations have been violated.

Unfortunately, the more I read from you, the more I realize that you just hate women. You may "love" them in the biblical sense, but you don't respect them, and I think you come on here just to stir the pot, to further build on this anti-woman, super soldier, fuck the world persona you have created, and that my friend is where the REAL discredit for the uniform comes from.

Not from two pretty girls taking pictures in ABU's with their babies.
 

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Unfortunately, the more I read from you, the more I realize that you just hate women. You may "love" them in the biblical sense, but you don't respect them, and I think you come on here just to stir the pot, to further build on this anti-woman, super soldier, fuck the world persona you have created, and that my friend is where the REAL discredit for the uniform comes from.

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Young 20 some old PFC who drinks and gets horny.

If I remember correctly, you also though those jar heads pissing on dead bodies was a no no. The only no no about it was they were stupid enough to take pictures of it.

The article Doc posted was written a while ago. I remember when I read it thinking "they didn't look like that in BDU's 30 years ago".
 

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just an FYI, just because a woman can breastfeed, doesnt mean she can pump. if fed formula on weekends, thats 2/3 days of not being able to BF and/or pumping. the milk supply will diminish and baby will prefer formula to breastmilk. a woman would have to pump and dump just to keep her supply up, BUT again, not all women who can BF are able to pump
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stirring the pot again i see

No im here to debate. Thats what this section is for. But honestly I LOVE arguing and debating. Its even more fun when everyone is against you.

A military setting is no place for breast feeding.

You're a woman who wants a career in the military and breast feed your kids when YOU want to in uniform? Simple, don't have kids.

Then again, perhaps in todays military, they really care how you feel.

I wouldent go that far, but according to regs you can breast feed in uniform, but it has to be in a private room and not in a restroom. Ill quote it if needed.

There is nothing disgusting or unnatural about breast feeding, so I'm not sure what your real beef is. The UCMJ typically defers rules related to the wear of the uniform to Article 92, which is failure to obey an order or regulation. AFI 36-2903, dress and appearance of Air Force personnel governs the wear of the Air Force blues dress uniform, and the ABU (airman battle uniform). Nowhere within this regulation does it talk about breast feeding in uniform, so what exactly did they do to violate the UCMJ?

Have you taken into consideration that maybe these women weren't looking for attention? You have considered this right? Maybe, just maybe they are among thousands of others who have both pride in the uniform, and pride in their family? What's wrong with combining the two. As a prior AF SSgt, I can say that if my troop came in and showed me those photos, I'd probably raise an eyebrow, and ask where their cover was, but outside of that, no regulations have been violated.

Unfortunately, the more I read from you, the more I realize that you just hate women. You may "love" them in the biblical sense, but you don't respect them, and I think you come on here just to stir the pot, to further build on this anti-woman, super soldier, fuck the world persona you have created, and that my friend is where the REAL discredit for the uniform comes from.

Not from two pretty girls taking pictures in ABU's with their babies.

Well Darrel, breast feeding is awesome and natural. In all honestly, i look down on mother who can but dont breastfeed. Breastfeeding has so many benifits for the mother and the child. The UCMJ comes from the fact they were supporting a political orginization, pro breastfeedind. It wasnt their personal picture. Also, AF reg's say they must do this in a private room not in the open (Air Force Instruction 44-102 ) . They took the photos for a breastfeeding campaign. The were wearing the uniform when Unauthorized. military regulations prohibit the use of the uniform, title, rank or military affiliation to further a cause, promote a product or imply an endorsement…for example, military members may not wear their uniform to a political rally, a protest or to sell a product. If I am not mistaken isnt the Air Force uniform standard you can only wear the uniform when on duty, coming on and off duty? You see, what gets me is the fact they just put their uniform on for no good reason and did that. Not people think mothers in all the military walk around in the open with their shirts up breastfeeding. What they are doing isnt taking pride in their uniform. I dont randomly put my uniform on and walk around going to restaurants and shopping malls.

I dont hate women, but after posting this and that domestic violence meme's I can see why you think that. Dont really care if you believe me or not though. I am not a super soldier, If I was I would be SF or Ranger. Im a damn good medic though. I want you to elaborate on my fuck the world persona. Most guys in the Army act similiar to me surprisingly, as do most young guys when they are in any group of young males. Your always head strong fighting to be the best and making insensative jokes. Thats life big guy.

Also, i think the chick on the left is cute. On the right, not so much
 

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what do you give a shit if a mother BFs or doesnt? it aint your kid. for someone who has no breasts and has never BF'd in your life you sure got a lot of opinions
 

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what do you give a shit if a mother BFs or doesnt? it aint your kid. for someone who has no breasts and has never BF'd in your life you sure got a lot of opinions

She is wearing a United States military uniform. Thats why I give a shit. She can do whatever the hell she wants in civilian clothes, but your not going to Disrespect and dishonor the uniform. My best friend died fighting to save another soldiers life in his uniform, but theese chicks are running around smiling and posing for pictures in breastfeeding campaign pictures. Thats why I give a shit. A military uniform isnt meant to be used for commercialization.

Breast feeding is fucking awesome. Its great for babies and mothers alike, i endorse breast feeding. I honestly think mothers who dont breast feed who are capable to arent looking out for their children. Its when your running around in broad daylight taking pictures of it for stupid political campaigns I start giving a shit.
 

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In all honestly, i look down on mother who can but dont breastfeed.
that is what i was referring to. uniforms aside. what do you care? its not your child. you grow some breasts then you get a say

and even then it only matters to you and yours. no one else.
 

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I wouldn't care if they wanted to breastfeed or not, as long as it's during their own time and not making a fuss over it then it's fine. But doing it while on the job, or whatever, isn't alright in my opinion.
 

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Yeah, but its all about the uniform. I do look down on mothers who dont breast feed but when i meet them i keep to myself, because i dont care. its not my kid. Just remember its a debate section, your supposed to state your oppinion on things then prove an argument.

This argument wasnt about breastfeeding itself, it was about doing it publicly in a military uniform AND using the uniform for a political agenda
 
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