******* people, can't believe them.
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I love how all the crazy shit happens in Florida.
Not enough crazy stuff happens in my area. Boooooring.
they werent married. when my now exhusband and I were seperated and going thru our divorce I use to go over to his house on his nights with my daughter and hang out there pretty late and then go home to my house and I was beginning to date other people. I sure as hell didint expect him to try to start me on fire! We both just realized we were better not married and friends for everyones sake and sanity.I didnt find what I was doing odd at all, I dunno maybe Im weird
Ok having read the thread and the first comment of the article I'm a bit appalled. I heard about this case but didn't see any peanut gallery responses until now...I'm kinda shocked people would treat the victim in this case with suspicion as if the attack was an inevitable or even reasonable result of her actions.
I mean a pregnant woman was lit on fire and shot...she got herself and her baby to safety and the first thing people do is go "wow she's dumb for putting herself in that situation". But then again- sick sad world.
I don't see what she did as reckless, certainly not enough so to warrant criticism.
I mean a pregnant woman was lit on fire and shot...she got herself and her baby to safety and the first thing people do is go "wow she's dumb for putting herself in that situation". But then again- sick sad world.
I don't see what she did as reckless, certainly not enough so to warrant criticism.
You're right about the thread, but others agree in the comment section of the article he posted that it's suspicious she was with him and at the new gf's house.
That's just so shocking to me :s never crossed my mind to call her stupid. Even the police in Warren are calling her quite brave.
Joe the meek
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Let's get one thing straight, I'm only blaming the victim for having a lack of common sense.
When you "hanged" out with your ex husband, was it up until 2 or 3 AM with his new girlfriend at HER house and were you 9 months pregnant?
When I went up to Pa a little while ago, I stopped in WV and met an old girlfriend at the local mall outside of Morgantown just because I hadn't seen her in about 9 years and I sincerely do consider us friends, and I hardly get that far up north on that side of the state anymore (needless to say, I told my wife beforehand LOL). I get the fact that people can still have a true friendship with people they dated or screwed around with.
That said, at least for myself, someone being 9 months pregnant and driving the man you screwed around with back to his girlfriends house at the week hours in the morning and parking the car inside the garage kind of defies common sense.
Put it like this, it's one thing to buy a dime bag (do they still use that term LOL) off the street from someone you don't know, but go by yourself to buy a brick from someone you don't know is only playing the odds the your going to get yourself into BIG trouble due to numerous possibilities.
Do I believe the pregnant woman is at fault? No. Where did I ever say the woman was at fault. What I said is she was stupid and had a lack of common sense. Just because someone has a lack of common sense and is the victim of a crime does not put the responsibility of the actions of those who committed the crime back on the victim.
Panacea, she might of been brave, but you don't leave someone thinking they're dead after you shot them in the back a couple of times without putting two in the head. She was VERY lucky.
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Joe, I honestly don't understand where your perspective on this is coming from. In one breath you're saying you've met up with exes yourself in the past and can get that people can have a friendship after a relationship. And then in the next you're saying this woman was stupid and foolish for doing the same thing.
The only difference I can see here is that she was pregnant, and parked inside a garage. Perhaps this is a difference in local culture - over here, garages are not synonymous with getting shot. Likewise, being pregnant doesn't mean you have to stay indoors and avoid going out after dark. Would it have been less foolish in your eyes if this girl hadn't been pregnant? Considering she was with the father of her baby, one of the last people she would reasonably have expected to want to harm her, I don't see why it makes her so foolish.
The only difference I can see here is that she was pregnant, and parked inside a garage. Perhaps this is a difference in local culture - over here, garages are not synonymous with getting shot. Likewise, being pregnant doesn't mean you have to stay indoors and avoid going out after dark. Would it have been less foolish in your eyes if this girl hadn't been pregnant? Considering she was with the father of her baby, one of the last people she would reasonably have expected to want to harm her, I don't see why it makes her so foolish.
Joe the meek
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Meeting an old girlfriend at a public place during the day for 20 minutes to see her is one thing, going to her house late at night for drinks is something else in my book.
I guess we have to differ in the fact that I think if you take the man you screwed around with back to his girlfriends house in the wee hours in the morning INSIDE the garage while you're 9 months pregnant is foolish. My money would of been on the girlfriend living at the house as the one causing the problem.
Please don't take my criticism as blaming the victim. One thing to have common sense, another to perhaps be 22 and still in love and make unwise decisions (sorry, doing what she did was unwise IMO).
If she were my daughter, I'd know what I'd be telling her if she told me what she was planning to do.
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I feel like you're judging this girl based on very little here. You keep saying she screwed around with him. Like they didn't have a proper relationship. For all we know, based on the little information that article gives, they might have been together for years before the pregnancy and the break-up. Forgive me if I'm wrong but you're giving the impression that you think this girl is some stupid young skank who fooled around with some guy, got knocked up and then got herself into a bad situation through being too foolish to recognise the threat her ex had suddenly become.
They didn't go back to his house for drinks, they met in a public place just like you did. All she was doing at his girlfriend's house was dropping him off - and even if she had been alone with him, again why should she have had any reason to think he was a threat?
This wasn't some guy she didn't know, or someone she had any reason to think might turn on her. He wasn't a stranger, or an acquaintance, he was the father of her baby. Seriously, what possible reason could she have had before this happened to not trust him? Why do you think she should have been keeping him at arms length?
And I still don't see why being inside a garage is an issue. A lot of houses have a door into the house in the garage if the two are connected, she was probably just dropping him near the door - or maybe it was raining and she pulled in to stop him getting soaked when he got out. Garages - still not something I'd immediately associate with grave danger. Is that really just me? That's an honest question, a garage over here is not a big deal. But then I don't live in the sort of area where most people have even seen a gun, let alone had a reason to use one.
They didn't go back to his house for drinks, they met in a public place just like you did. All she was doing at his girlfriend's house was dropping him off - and even if she had been alone with him, again why should she have had any reason to think he was a threat?
This wasn't some guy she didn't know, or someone she had any reason to think might turn on her. He wasn't a stranger, or an acquaintance, he was the father of her baby. Seriously, what possible reason could she have had before this happened to not trust him? Why do you think she should have been keeping him at arms length?
And I still don't see why being inside a garage is an issue. A lot of houses have a door into the house in the garage if the two are connected, she was probably just dropping him near the door - or maybe it was raining and she pulled in to stop him getting soaked when he got out. Garages - still not something I'd immediately associate with grave danger. Is that really just me? That's an honest question, a garage over here is not a big deal. But then I don't live in the sort of area where most people have even seen a gun, let alone had a reason to use one.
I have to agree with HK, Joe, I mean I know the Warren area (basically borders Detroit, it's got it rough spots and its nicer spots) and I understand your undertone of self-protection (especially as a pregnant woman) but I can't agree she did anything really stupid.
This is far beyond your common hothead fight breaking out in a gunshot.
I truly believe these people would have eventually COME for her, even if she hadn't met up with them and gone to the new gf's home. It seems this was a hasty and poorly executed attempt at murder but clearly he wanted her and that baby dead. Just a thought.
This is far beyond your common hothead fight breaking out in a gunshot.
I truly believe these people would have eventually COME for her, even if she hadn't met up with them and gone to the new gf's home. It seems this was a hasty and poorly executed attempt at murder but clearly he wanted her and that baby dead. Just a thought.
Joe the meek
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I used drinks as an example in my case, not hers. In my case, what if I told my old girlfriend I'd meet her for Dinner? What about late night drinks? How about going to her house? How about just sleeping over because it's so late?
People have to know when to draw the line to realize what is and what is not appropriate. I guess that line is different for everyone.
For myself, a woman 9 months pregnant doesn't need to be out with the father of her child past midnight when that same man is living with another woman and the pregnant woman is driving that man to that woman's house that late. Soap opera waiting to happen, at worst, a call to police on a domestic dispute. Wait a minute, even worse than that.
Kind of like when I travel with other married men who hit a big town and want to go out and "have fun" late at night because they're away from home. Ultimately, IMO, nothing good is going to come from it.
We will just have to agree to disagree.
I may have to agree to disagree with you also but I have a question for you. You keep bringing up the fact that he had a girlfriend, if he hadnt had a girlfriend and she was dropping him off at his house after going out would you still think she was stupid for making the decision that she did, to go out with the father of her unborn child for the night?
Joe the meek
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Yes.
Added the fact of the time they came back. And added the fact that it wasn't the man's house, but the woman's house. And I'm certain many doctors advocate that women 9 months pregnant should be driving for social reasons between the hours of 12am-5am.
If a man goes into a whore house and get's robbed by other men going to the whore house to rob people, it's not the mans fault he got robbed because he was looking to get laid. I totally get that
Jezzebelle
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WTF does the time matter when a pregnant woman drives?? I'm pretty sure no legit Dr. would put a curfew on a pregnant woman that is perfectly healthy.
Joe the meek
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Sincere apologies.
Due to my own ignorance in the medical field, I assumed that even a 9 month pregnant female should restrict herself from certain activities, particularly if one of those activities is driving a car by herself at 2 or 3 in morning
Again, I'm just from a different world. The ex boy friend let HER drive while she was 9 months pregnant. Hell, the least he could of done was borrow the car of the woman whose house he was living in and drive himself.
I have no doubt these two characters in this sad story are from a very different world than mine, thank God.
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But she wasn't by herself, she was with her ex. And just because her ex and his new girlfriend had a garage doesn't mean they had a car - in fact since she was able to park in the garage, it suggest they didn't.
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Joe the meek
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I could be wrong, but since they were in her car and she was dropping him off, doesn't that mean she would have to drive back to her home by HERSELF?
I know, they were out so late and they forgot it was in the wee hours of the morning that the guy was going to have her sleep over at his girlfriends house? Perhaps a comeback of the "love communes" of the 60's?
Honestly, the whole story doesn't add up and there seems to be some pieces missing.
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