After-birth Abortion

[The Man]

Thats not terminating a pregnancy tim

 

[Tim]

and this is why I don't debate with you on the forum anymore... it's like talking to my 4 year old.

good night

 

[The Man]

and this is why I don't debate with you on the forum anymore... it's like talking to my 4 year old.

good night

Perhaps you should start considering your responses more seriously then ...other than "Who was killed?"

 

[The Man]

pardon for clarification here was the response

How can it be a homicide if nobody is killed?

 

[alice in chains]

Why do you refuse to answer?

Do you consider the morning after pill homicide?

When do YOU consider it life?

It's life at goddamn conception. Do you consider people with alzheimers disease on the same life-relevance as a fetus? They're pissing out their brain cells and aren't in their right mind, right? Some might not value life anymore or even realize if they were to be killed.

 

[alice in chains]

and this is why I don't debate with you on the forum anymore... it's like talking to my 4 year old.

good night

do you always compare your 4 year old to people who make you angry because they don't say what you want to hear?

 

[Tim]

It's life at goddamn conception. Do you consider people with alzheimers disease on the same life-relevance as a fetus? They're pissing out their brain cells and aren't in their right mind, right? Some might not value life anymore or even realize if they were to be killed.

What makes you think it's a life the moment of conception?

The egg is a living cell and each sperm is alive, does that mean they deserve the same protection as a fertilized egg?
Why should a fertilized egg have any more protection than each egg and sperm?

Now I'll give you my view.
Sperm, eggs and fertilized eggs do not meet the requirements of being a person. Being a person is where protection is warranted.
I believe that person-hood begins with the development of the brain and cognitive thought. That's the difference between a clump of living cells (like a stalk of celery) and a person.

And I am in the habit of comparing people like The Man and my child when they answer simple question with questions in an attempt to avoid answering. Go back and look at the questions I asked him. He didn't answer a single one. He has no intention on answering, he only wants to muddy the discussion.

 

[The Man]

What makes you think it's a life the moment of conception?

The egg is a living cell and each sperm is alive, does that mean they deserve the same protection as a fertilized egg?
Why should a fertilized egg have any more protection than each egg and sperm?

Now I'll give you my view.
Sperm, eggs and fertilized eggs do not meet the requirements of being a person. Being a person is where protection is warranted.
I believe that person-hood begins with the development of the brain and cognitive thought. That's the difference between a clump of living cells (like a stalk of celery) and a person.

And I am in the habit of comparing people like The Man and my child when they answer simple question with questions in an attempt to avoid answering. Go back and look at the questions I asked him. He didn't answer a single one. He has no intention on answering, he only wants to muddy the discussion.

Life begins at conception
Different stages of life happen thereafter ..
These stages would not happen without the creation of that life.

You are merely saying "that life isnt worth protecting as its brain isnt fully developed yet"

Why should a fertilized egg have any more protection than each egg and sperm?

You are just that...but decades old..are you not worth protecting?

Sperm, eggs and fertilized eggs do not meet the requirements of being a person.

One for 3.....one is human life the others 2 aren't they are only requirements for human life to begin.

Being a person is where protection is warranted.

And a persons life begins at conception

I believe that person-hood begins with the development of the brain and cognitive thought

Incorrect...this happens at a later stage....person hood already happened at conception.

That's the difference between a clump of living cells (like a stalk of celery) and a person.

Whether you have no thought or not...you are still just a clump of cells tim

And I am in the habit of comparing people like The Man and my child when they answer simple question with questions in an attempt to avoid answering

They were responded to accordingly.....my original statement was broad but you made the ill effort to steer it towards your morning after argument.

He has no intention on answering, he only wants to muddy the discussion

Incorrect again....My responses were precise and factual to your questions

 

[Tim]

I am not just a clump of cells. I am a thinking human being.
It is the mind and our consciousness that make us human. Why is it ok to pull the plug on someone that is in a vegetative state then? Think about it, once the mind is gone, it's just a shell, a clump of cells as you put it.

Do you consider pulling the plug on someone that is brain dead murder?

 

[The Man]

I am not just a clump of cells. I am a thinking human being.
It is the mind and our consciousness that make us human. Why is it ok to pull the plug on someone that is in a vegetative state then? Think about it, once the mind is gone, it's just a shell, a clump of cells as you put it.

Do you consider pulling the plug on someone that is brain dead murder?

I am not just a clump of cells. I am a thinking human being.

Ok you are a thinking clump of human cells..

It is the mind and our consciousness that make us human.

No..what made you human was when sperm met egg.

Why is it ok to pull the plug on someone that is in a vegetative state then?

From what an injury of illness?...Not the same thing....thats kind of like saying why do we amputate a smashed leg.

Think about it, once the mind is gone, it's just a shell, a clump of cells as you put it.

I have never stated such

 

[The Man]

And I am in the habit of comparing people like The Man and my child when they answer simple question with questions in an attempt to avoid answering. Go back and look at the questions I asked him. He didn't answer a single one. He has no intention on answering, he only wants to muddy the discussion.

But your question was responded to with the post below...you merely couldn't rebut it properly

Dont be silly Tim...the baby is killed.



Thats not a process in abortion.............besides you cant very put all thirty in her or none will survive tim....and would also be a danger to the mother...so if you wanted to equate that to abortion..it would be an abortion of medical decision ...which very few object to

 

[Francis]

I Agree with Tim in many ways..

Most people here are all about asking question after question until they find the one they believe they can try to pin you down on and say Ah ha..

Answer the bloody fucken questions and stop beating about the bush by posting a new question instead..

 

[The Man]

I Agree with Tim in many ways..

Most people here are all about asking question after question until they find the one they believe they can try to pin you down on and say Ah ha..

Answer the bloody fucken questions and stop beating about the bush by posting a new question instead..

Fucking lame isnt it....As much as he tries the effort fails when attempted on me.

 

[alice in chains]

What makes you think it's a life the moment of conception?

The egg is a living cell and each sperm is alive, does that mean they deserve the same protection as a fertilized egg?
Why should a fertilized egg have any more protection than each egg and sperm?

Now I'll give you my view.
Sperm, eggs and fertilized eggs do not meet the requirements of being a person. Being a person is where protection is warranted.
I believe that person-hood begins with the development of the brain and cognitive thought. That's the difference between a clump of living cells (like a stalk of celery) and a person.

And I am in the habit of comparing people like The Man and my child when they answer simple question with questions in an attempt to avoid answering. Go back and look at the questions I asked him. He didn't answer a single one. He has no intention on answering, he only wants to muddy the discussion.

The single sperm and single egg donnot deserve the same protection because alone their potential is complete as is. A fertilized egg has the active means of survival to become a "human". Now, pro choice will argue that it has no cognitive procesess which is true. But isn't that saying because it isn't complete, it doesn't matter? Can't the same thought be applied to be with mental illness? Or on life support?

 

[alice in chains]

I am not just a clump of cells. I am a thinking human being.
It is the mind and our consciousness that make us human. Why is it ok to pull the plug on someone that is in a vegetative state then? Think about it, once the mind is gone, it's just a shell, a clump of cells as you put it.

Do you consider pulling the plug on someone that is brain dead murder?

I agree and understand your thought about what makes us human. I do think it's ok to pull the plug on a person in a vegetable state because their potential has been reached. I like to think I'm not an irrate extremists who ignores ideas, but I try to be a logical and open thinker. I hold life sacred, but donnot believe in suffering, either. In this circumstance, no I donnot think it is murder.

 

[Tim]

The single sperm and single egg donnot deserve the same protection because alone their potential is complete as is. A fertilized egg has the active means of survival to become a "human". Now, pro choice will argue that it has no cognitive procesess which is true. But isn't that saying because it isn't complete, it doesn't matter? Can't the same thought be applied to be with mental illness? Or on life support?

But when does it become a human? That is the $64,000 question

A sperm and an egg does not need to be combined to create life. Science has already proved that through cloning and using the stem cells from a bone to fertilize an egg. So would a cloned person be human? What about a baby created from a mothers egg that was fertilized by the stem cells from her own bone?
There are different ways to achieve a human life, not just by fertilizing an egg with a sperm.
Another human can be cloned from my sperm alone, hell, every cell in your body has the genetic make-up to create another life...
So again I ask, when does a clump of cells become a human?

 

[alice in chains]

My opinion would be not the method of which human life is achieved, but at the point where the components needed to create this human life have been put into play and nature and nourishment is put into the driver's seat.

Of course, the opinions differ and it is a shitty issue. I admit I haven't done alot of study on the science you posted but I know enough to know my opinion on it.

 

[The Man]

Good thing she had a thoughtful mother and didnt have her killed before birth :thumbup

Annie Clark, a 7-year-old born without hands but with a can-do spirit, has won a national award for penmanship.

The first grader at Wilson Christian Academy in the Pittsburgh-area was awarded the Nicholas Maxim Special Award for Excellent Penmanship at a surprise assembly at her school Wednesday, where she was presented with a trophy and $1,000 prize from Zaner-Bloser, the textbook publishing company that sponsors the contest.

After accepting the award, Annie demonstrated for the audience how she writes, gripping the pencil steadily between her forearms to perfect the letters and capitalization.

"She is a studious and conscientious student who really strives for perfection," her teacher Laura Erb said. "She is very determined to get it right. When she does any kind of writing, she wants to make sure that it's clear and concise and she really takes pride in her work."

Erb said Annie sometimes has to stand up to give herself leverage over the lined paper, but always keeps up in the classroom with her peers. In fact, she tutors other students.

"We don't consider her a special ed [student], she's just Annie," Erb said. "She picks up on things very quickly. She keeps pace with the classroom and the curriculum."

Despite her disability, Annie can use scissors and glue in class, Erb said, and has learned how to dress herself, feed herself, swim and ride a bike. She also excels at math.

"This has been a very natural thing for her. She just did it, she wrote just like this. She didn't have therapy," Erb explained.

Now in its 21st year, the Zaner-Bloser National Handwriting Contest is an annual event for grade school students that promotes penmanship. This year, the contest included a new category for students with disabilities after Nicholas Maxim, a fifth grader from Maine who was born without hands or lower arms, applied to the general contest last year and impressed judges with his penmanship skills.


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