After-birth Abortion

[Mercury]

I always amazes me how quick society is ready to condemn an act yet is ready to send a child to war..

Does the child at war not have the same opportunity to become the next Doctor, Engineer or Scientist to save billions of lives?

Why is it that we accept to let a 19 or 21 year old get killed at War but an unborn, which we have no idea which side of good or evil he will grow up to be, which in itself is another topic..

The death penalty and euthanasia.. We argue to bring a fetus to life yet will kill people we feel deserve our wrath and make those who we love suffer who deserve to have a right over their own faith. Truly amazing when you think about it.. Let a guilty man off the hook by sticking a needle in him and set him free but let Grandma suffer for a year of two in excruciating pain because we love her.. :willy_nilly:

Good point

 

[Francis]

The whole 'You decided to have sex so you should have to deal with the consequences' line never fails to amuse me. Personally I don't believe in forcing people to have children that don't want them. It would be unfair to the child.

I think everyone who is pro-life should have to adopt at least 5 children, since they're so adamant about making sure every child conceived is brought into this world. If you want them then you should take care of them.

Hummm well seeing I adopted one and had one yet I am still in favour of abortion in its place and time where does that put me..

 

[satinbutterfly]

Hummm well seeing I adopted one and had one yet I am still in favour of abortion in its place and time where does that put me..

Generous.

 

[HK]

The whole 'You decided to have sex so you should have to deal with the consequences' line never fails to amuse me. Personally I don't believe in forcing people to have children that don't want them. It would be unfair to the child.

That's a good point. How great is it really going to be, to grow up with parents who didn't want you? Especially when the chances are, they didn't wanr a baby because they couldn't afford one, weren't ready for one, or didn't know each other that well, or any combination of the above. It's not like every aborted child would have been born into a stable, loving home with two parents and a wealth of opportunities.

 

[Panacea]

Well here's a potential contrast to after birth abortion...after death pregnancy?

http://www.examiner.com/atheism-in-...o-carry-stillborn-fetus-to-term#ixzz1rI9eY6AT

 

[Panacea]

The whole 'You decided to have sex so you should have to deal with the consequences' line never fails to amuse me. Personally I don't believe in forcing people to have children that don't want them. It would be unfair to the child.

I think everyone who is pro-life should have to adopt at least 5 children, since they're so adamant about making sure every child conceived is brought into this world. If you want them then you should take care of them.

No kidding. But like I always say, I'm more "quality of life" versus "quantity of life"/preservation of life at all costs. Just my personal philosophy.

 

[The Doc]

I always amazes me how quick society is ready to condemn an act yet is ready to send a child to war..

Does the child at war not have the same opportunity to become the next Doctor, Engineer or Scientist to save billions of lives?

Why is it that we accept to let a 19 or 21 year old get killed at War but an unborn, which we have no idea which side of good or evil he will grow up to be, which in itself is another topic..

The death penalty and euthanasia.. We argue to bring a fetus to life yet will kill people we feel deserve our wrath and make those who we love suffer who deserve to have a right over their own faith. Truly amazing when you think about it.. Let a guilty man off the hook by sticking a needle in him and set him free but let Grandma suffer for a year of two in excruciating pain because we love her.. :willy_nilly:

a 19 or 21 year old soldier chooses to put THEMSELF into the military and fight. No one made the choice for them atleast in this day and age. I am 22, joined at 19. I had friends, 18,19 and 20 years old who died. Its sad but they volunteered for it. They accepted that consequence when signing the contract as did I and every other soldier. They were given chances to leave and declined them.

The whole 'You decided to have sex so you should have to deal with the consequences' line never fails to amuse me. Personally I don't believe in forcing people to have children that don't want them. It would be unfair to the child.

I think everyone who is pro-life should have to adopt at least 5 children, since they're so adamant about making sure every child conceived is brought into this world. If you want them then you should take care of them.

Why? I am pro life, but i wasnt the one who was irresponsible and got someone pregnant? Why is it my fault? I firmly believe not giving abortions legally would be a great form of birth control. You have one that you can barely afford, im sure you will think twice before you risk it by not wearing a condom. If you go get a coat hanger abortion in an alley, you probly wont ever be able to have a baby again. So if you dont ever want to have kids again, go attempt that.

That's a good point. How great is it really going to be, to grow up with parents who didn't want you? Especially when the chances are, they didn't wanr a baby because they couldn't afford one, weren't ready for one, or didn't know each other that well, or any combination of the above. It's not like every aborted child would have been born into a stable, loving home with two parents and a wealth of opportunities.

Just because your born unwanted doesnt mean you cant do any good for humankind or anything productive to society.

The divorce rate in America for first marriage, vs second or third marriage
50% percent of first marriages, 67% of second and 74% of third marriages end in divorce, according to Jennifer Baker of the Forest Institute of Professional Psychology in Springfield, Missouri.

Regardless if the parents like each other, most children grow up in un-traditional families where they are split between 2 sets of parents or only have 1 parent.

 

[The Doc]

The whole 'You decided to have sex so you should have to deal with the consequences' line never fails to amuse me. Personally I don't believe in forcing people to have children that don't want them. It would be unfair to the child.

I think everyone who is pro-life should have to adopt at least 5 children, since they're so adamant about making sure every child conceived is brought into this world. If you want them then you should take care of them.

So is it more unfair the child is born to parents who dont want them? Or the fact they are getting aborted before given a chance in the world?

 

[Francis]

a 19 or 21 year old soldier chooses to put THEMSELF into the military and fight. No one made the choice for them atleast in this day and age. I am 22, joined at 19. I had friends, 18,19 and 20 years old who died. Its sad but they volunteered for it. They accepted that consequence when signing the contract as did I and every other soldier. They were given chances to leave and declined them.

Yes, after you enlist but does your country give you the choice to go to war ?

Have you ever heard of Conscription ( its mandatory in many countries ) ?

The point is as many kids are killed there that are ALREADY educated could be the next scientist / doctor on both sides of a war that kill each other.. STUPID isn't it..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscription

 

[HK]

I just can't get behind the idea that all human life is sacred and special and deserving. We certainly don't continue regarding people that way after birth.

 

[The Doc]

Yes, after you enlist but does your country give you the choice to go to war ?

Have you ever heard of Conscription ( its mandatory in many countries ) ?

The point is as many kids are killed there that are ALREADY educated could be the next scientist / doctor on both sides of a war that kill each other.. STUPID isn't it..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscription

Well, no you get orders to a deploying unit... then your deploying. But I mean, if your retarded enough to join the military of a country at war and expect to not goto war your an idiot.

I am fully aware of conscription, but you see that doesnt happen here in the UNITED STATES, in THIS DAY AND AGE therefore its irrelevant. Todays U.S. Army is a Highly Professional VOLUNTEER Army, meaning all apart of it volunteered to be apart of it.

Francis, can we please get back to arguing about abortion?

 

[Mercury]

That is the nice thing about the United States ... personal liability and personal liberty.

One doesn't like the idea of abortion ... they don't have to have one. So legally speaking ... it really shouldn't even be an issue.

However

When you delve into the philosophical, religious and moral aspects of abortion ... then it is a bit more complicated and makes for a great discussion.

When does human life begin? Conception? When the fetus begins to develop all of his/her organs?

What is the difference between the murder of a Human outside of the womb compared to the abortion of a fetus? What are the factors into making such a decision?

 

[Francis]

Francis, can we please get back to arguing about abortion?

Sure... But as I recall I am more on the side of getting abortions only when really required then you are, so you seem a bit lost..

 

[The Doc]

Sure... But as I recall I am more on the side of getting abortions only when really required then you are, so you seem a bit lost..

No your going into the lives of people living being worthless, and trying to compare that to an unborn child. I would love to argue that with you, just not here.

When is absolutely neccessary? To me absolutely neccessary is if the pregnancy itself will kill you or the child will be disabled or down syndrome, something along those lines. If you really dont want the kid, give it up to adoption.

 

[Francis]

No your going into the lives of people living being worthless, and trying to compare that to an unborn child. I would love to argue that with you, just not here.

When is absolutely neccessary? To me absolutely neccessary is if the pregnancy itself will kill you or the child will be disabled or down syndrome, something along those lines. If you really dont want the kid, give it up to adoption.

Where ?

 

[The Doc]

Where ?

www.americanadoptions.com/
www.beaconhouseadoption.com/

Just a couple sites, top results from google. give me a state and i can pull many adoption centers.


Good resource on how the process works - http://www.adoption.org/adopt/giving-a-child-up-for-adoption.php

 

[Francis]

No your going into the lives of people living being worthless, and trying to compare that to an unborn child. I would love to argue that with you, just not here.

When is absolutely neccessary? To me absolutely neccessary is if the pregnancy itself will kill you or the child will be disabled or down syndrome, something along those lines. If you really dont want the kid, give it up to adoption.

www.americanadoptions.com/
www.beaconhouseadoption.com/

Just a couple sites, top results from google. give me a state and i can pull many adoption centers.


Good resource on how the process works - http://www.adoption.org/adopt/giving-a-child-up-for-adoption.php

No silly.. Where did I say peoples lives were worthless ?

If you did not see the post I already adopted a child.. My first one and then have my son who is my own blood..

Being a man is not only talking the talk but walking the walk..

Have you adopted a child yet ? One with disabilities ?

 

[The Doc]

No silly.. Where did I say peoples lives were worthless ?

If you did not see the post I already adopted a child.. My first one and then have my son who is my own blood..

Being a man is not only talking the talk but walking the walk..

Have you adopted a child yet ? One with disabilities ?

By comparing young soldiers dying to aborted babies it seems like your trying to make a connection that both are worthless and on par with each other. If thats not what you were implying, forgive me i misunderstood.

I havent adopted a child, i dont even have one of my own. Im not married. When i get a little older and I find the women I want to marry, my plan is to adopt 1 child, and have 2 biological ones. As for children with disabilities, i wouldent keep one. Never said anyone should. Thats up to them. If you abort your child because its gonna be a downie, that i totally understand. If i end up getting a women pregnant, i will keep the kid. Even if i dont like the women, and she is a total bitch i will still try and get married to her.. for the sake of the kid. Part of being a parent in my eyes, is putting the childrens needs above your own.

 

[Francis]

By comparing young soldiers dying to aborted babies it seems like your trying to make a connection that both are worthless and on par with each other. If thats not what you were implying, forgive me i misunderstood.

You see, your making assumptions again.. Read my past posts and you will see that again I am more in belief that Abortion should be used for proper things. You said it should be used in cases of "rape" but not all women who are raped want the child aborted. I believe that parents who know their child has no chance of survival should have the right to abortion but I am sure many will still do the humanly thing and want the child anyway. I never said they should automatically be thrown into an abortion bin, you just assumed..

The same with Military personnel who I hold an extremely high regard for.. Why should their lives be put in harms way and what do they do during peace time ? Is that the only function you believe the Military serves is to go to war ? What about serving the people of the country in times of need ? Hurricanes, Floods and Epidemics ?

I havent adopted a child, i dont even have one of my own. Im not married. When i get a little older and I find the women I want to marry, my plan is to adopt 1 child, and have 2 biological ones. As for children with disabilities, i wouldent keep one. Never said anyone should. Thats up to them. If you abort your child because its gonna be a downie, that i totally understand. If i end up getting a women pregnant, i will keep the kid. Even if i dont like the women, and she is a total bitch i will still try and get married to her.. for the sake of the kid. Part of being a parent in my eyes, is putting the childrens needs above your own.

The line I underlined that shows you have a lot to learn about REAL life.. My daughter ( adopted ) is autistic with ADD and ODD but also a fantastic kid, not into drugs and not into all the sort of crap all other stuff most other kids would get into.. She just entered college, yup even with her disability, to help kids with the same issues she has.. But that comes with great parenting skills and lots of patience not giving up..

 

[The Doc]

You see, your making assumptions again.. Read my past posts and you will see that again I am more in belief that Abortion should be used for proper things. You said it should be used in cases of "rape" but not all women who are raped want the child aborted. I believe that parents who know their child has no chance of survival should have the right to abortion but I am sure many will still do the humanly thing and want the child anyway. I never said they should automatically be thrown into an abortion bin, you just assumed..

The same with Military personnel who I hold an extremely high regard for.. Why should their lives be put in harms way and what do they do during peace time ? Is that the only function you believe the Military serves is to go to war ? What about serving the people of the country in times of need ? Hurricanes, Floods and Epidemics ?



The line I underlined that shows you have a lot to learn about REAL life.. My daughter ( adopted ) is autistic with ADD and ODD but also a fantastic kid, not into drugs and not into all the sort of crap all other stuff most other kids would get into.. She just entered college, yup even with her disability, to help kids with the same issues she has.. But that comes with great parenting skills and lots of patience not giving up..

I didnt say if your kid is disabled or if your kid is a result of a rape they have to be aborted. I just said in those instances i would totally understand the reason for abortion. Honestly, i dont think its a fetus's fault a women was raped therefore it shouldent be murdered... but then again its a pregnancy that the women did not choose and wasnt a result of her irresponsibility.

As for military personell, why should we be put in harms way? Because it our job to defend you and your way of life before you do. yes i am aware of peace keeping missions, and most disasters like hurricanes and whatnot are covered by the weekend warriors (National Guard). During peace time, we dont do anything. We train to deploy. Thats about it. Unless your medical personell like me, and you train to deploy in addition to taking care of soldiers with their garrison injuries and sicknesses