Manners & common sense.

[Aeval]

SMH indeed!!! When I was in college I gave up my seat on the bus to a guy who was on crutches and was obviously recent post-op on his knee. He almost refused to accept.

He was probably raised to not take a seat from a lady...but I'm with you, I couldn't sit there and not offer.

I was on crutches for a week and taking the bus/subway. I stood most days - I don't think anyone offered up their seat to me.

We were raised soooo differently, it's sad that manners and common courtesy aren't a priority for parents today....it's all me, me, me...greed and get what you can.

 

[AUFred]

He was probably raised to not take a seat from a lady...but I'm with you, I couldn't sit there and not offer.

I was on crutches for a week and taking the bus/subway. I stood most days - I don't think anyone offered up their seat to me.

We were raised soooo differently, it's sad that manners and common courtesy aren't a priority for parents today....it's all me, me, me...greed and get what you can.

My children were taught manners whether they use them or not is on them.

 

[Aeval]

My children were taught manners whether they use them or not is on them.

I'm sure they do.

 

[All Else Failed]

Oh please. Lets stop putting women on a pedestal. You guys wanted equality and you got it.


I've been called a "sexist" for holding a door open FFS.

Equal rights perhaps? Chicks really have it made overall. They like to be treated like a lady when they want it, and they'll cut your throat in the workplace if necessary.

Well, here is one thing we can agree on.


Women want their cake and eat it too. They pick and choose when they want a man to take care of them and went to be those "sassy independents" at a drop of a hat.

I am not a "chick" but absolutely, I expect to be treated like a lady.

I'm going to guess that, if asked, you support equality amongst the sexes and equal fairness.

However...?

 

[Natasha]

Oh please. Lets stop putting women on a pedestal. You guys wanted equality and you got it.

If you TRULY think women are equal to men in ALL workplaces you are sadly mistaken. Ask any female firefighter, police officer, or EMT. They have to work TWICE as hard to prove themselves in a male dominated profession.

I've been called a "sexist" for holding a door open FFS.

That's an idiot problem, not a feminism problem.

I'm going to guess that, if asked, you support equality amongst the sexes and equal fairness.

However...?

Absolutely I do. I also support equality amongst races, religions, and sexual preferences. However, what??? I am the youngest shift supervisor at my place of employment and up until a month ago I was the only female shift supervisor. I got to where I am by hard work and dedication. My attendance is impeccable, I am good at my job, and I have proven myself over 11 plus years of service. I didn't get my promotions b/c I'm a woman and I won't keep them for that reason, either.

 

[All Else Failed]

If you TRULY think women are equal to men in ALL workplaces you are sadly mistaken. Ask any female firefighter, police officer, or EMT. They have to work TWICE as hard to prove themselves in a male dominated profession.

Doubt that


plus men are better at those jobs

That's an idiot problem, not a feminism problem.

nah definitely stems from feminism.

Absolutely I do. I also support equality amongst races, religions, and sexual preferences. However, what??? I am the youngest shift supervisor at my place of employment and up until a month ago I was the only female shift supervisor. I got to where I am by hard work and dedication. My attendance is impeccable, I am good at my job, and I have proven myself over 11 plus years of service. I didn't get my promotions b/c I'm a woman and I won't keep them for that reason, either.

You don't want equality

you want to be "treated like a lady". You want to be treated differently from men due solely to your sex. That is not equality. That is special privilege that you demand of men.

 

[Natasha]

plus men are better at those jobs

You have no clue. I graduated EMT school w/ a 4.0 average b/c I worked my ass off. When we were out on the steps practicing lifting (stretchers weigh about 80 pounds on their own, add the patient to that weight it gets heavy) I held my own just fine while my male classmate dropped a stretcher w/ a classmate on it right on his own ankle. Sex has nothing to do w/ skill as a medic, firefighter, or police officer.

you want to be "treated like a lady". You want to be treated differently from men due solely to your sex. That is not equality.

Okay, I'll clarify, then. When I say "treated like a lady" I mean that I expect to be respected. I don't expect to be slapped on the ass and told I have nice tits unless I'm shaking my money maker for dollar bills. I have never expected to have less expected of me b/c I'm a woman...I find the idea repulsive, tbh.

There is a difference in supporting equality and the rabid feminism that some people tend to associate w/ that. I am by no means a fan of rabid feminism...I think it's extremely detrimental.

 

[All Else Failed]

You have no clue. I graduated EMT school w/ a 4.0 average b/c I worked my ass off. When we were out on the steps practicing lifting (stretchers weigh about 80 pounds on their own, add the patient to that weight it gets heavy) I held my own just fine while my male classmate dropped a stretcher w/ a classmate on it right on his own ankle. Sex has nothing to do w/ skill as a medic, firefighter, or police officer.

Sit back and think about that for a bit.

Okay, I'll clarify, then. When I say "treated like a lady" I mean that I expect to be respected. I don't expect to be slapped on the ass and told I have nice tits unless I'm shaking my money maker for dollar bills. I have never expected to have less expected of me b/c I'm a woman...I find the idea repulsive, tbh.

There is a difference in supporting equality and the rabid feminism that some people tend to associate w/ that. I am by no means a fan of rabid feminism...I think it's extremely detrimental.

but you want men to take part in mating rituals that go against equality

 

[AUFred]

wow never know where a thread is going to end up. i watched someone being stupid and commented. never thought of equal rights when I posted the OP.

 

[Natasha]

Sit back and think about that for a bit.

I would, but it's quite obvious that you don't think women are capable, so no thanks.

but you want men to take part in mating rituals that go against equality

And you would know this b/c you've dated me??? You have no idea what I want. *smh*

 

[All Else Failed]

Not saying all women aren't capable, I'm just saying those jobs are better suited for men.

And you would know this b/c you've dated me??? You have no idea what I want. *smh*

I don't need to date you to know what "I wanted to be treated like a lady" really means.

 

[Natasha]

Not saying all women aren't capable, I'm just saying those jobs are better suited for men.

And women are better suited for dispatch jobs...but we have some AWESOME male dispatchers at work.

I don't need to date you to know what "I wanted to be treated like a lady" really means.

That's where you men make your fatal flaws...by assuming you know what women actually mean.

 

[All Else Failed]

Saying "I wanted to be treated like a lady" is a clear statement that you wish to be treated differently based upon your sex.

 

[Natasha]

It's useless, LOL

 

[Skorpy]

lol.
SOME of the younger ones these days haven't a clue how to be with females...like opening doors for them etc. My dad, even now if we walk down the street, moves me to the inner side. And my husband always opens doors and lets me go in first. Personally it doesn't bother me, if they don't. But it is always nice to have gentleman like you Fred

I really should teach a course in how to be a gentleman. I had to grasp the pew in front of me and force myself to keep my seat so I would not correct the young man two rows in front of me.


A young couple walks in together ( I assume they are dating). When they get to the pew where they intend to sit the young man sits on the end of the row so the girl has to climb over him to sit down. If he intended on sitting on the outside he should allow her to get in and move over. A gentleman always allows the lady to sit first.

 

[HK]

I don't know, I take advantage of my sex on a regular basis so I'm not going to argue that I want to be treated like a man.


For me, equality is one thing, chivalry is another. Equality should mean that if I choose, I could decide to go to the same places, take the same courses and do the same jobs as a man. Whether or not I should is another matter haha, the point is everyone should have the same possibilities open to them.


However, do I actually want to be treated like a man? Not really. I like being a girl and I like that yeah, I get treated differently by some of our suppliers compared to my male boss. I appreciate doors being held and generally, what I want from a man is someone who could look after me, especially in a physical sense, because there's no way I could take care of myself in that area, and I'm fine with saying that


That doesn't mean I'm not worth the same as a man, or that I shouldn't be allowed the same opportunities if I wanted them. As far as I'm concerned, being equal does not have to mean being the same.

 

[Siphorous]

That being said - on something AEF said, the reverse is also true by many as has been said already be folks. Some may object to having a door held open, others not.

Some take advantage, others not. Nowt wrong with that.

This does remind me of one time I held a door open for a lady who smiled and said "I could get used to that". Nice young lady too. :nod:

 

[Zorak]

I hold doors open for people of all ages and sex. It's not very nice to let it slam in their face.

 

[Niamh]

I hold doors open for people of all ages and sex. It's not very nice to let it slam in their face.

Exactly.

 

[Abcinthia]

I got from my seat on a bus once for a pregnant lady only to have a 20ish guy try to take the seat...he couldn't figure out why he shouldn't..I got up after all. smh

Yes a similiar thing happened to me. I got up for a pregnant lady (and I was nearly at the back but no one else was getting up) and quite clearly said "here's a seat for you" and she replied "thank you". She starts walking over and some man who had just got on the bus, pushes past and sits down in it. I didn't half tell him off, asking him how on earth did his parents raise him if he goes around nicking a pregnant woman's seat and why on earth he needed it over her. He looked so ashamed, mumbled sorry, gave her the seat and got off at the next stop.


I always help pregnant women or people with young children because I know how utterly frustrating it can be and how little anyone will help. I can remember well enough standing up for entire bus journeys whilst heavily pregnant because there were no seats and the only people offering them were very old people who had a hard enough time getting to their seats without having to stand up for 20+minutes on a moving bus. I just could not make them stand because I'd feel awful if they lost their balance.

Not forgetting the great bus journey I had with my two year old daughter who had to stand up and cling onto my legs because there were no seats and no one would offer one. I even stood there and asked if anyone would let a 2 year old sit down and everyone looked down at the floor or out the window, with the bus driver shaking his head and apologising for the "fuking rude bastards - the lot of them!"