New Bill Would Authorize Indefinite Detention

[Accountable]

http://www.opencongress.org/articles/view/2438-Read-the-Military-Detention-Bill

The 2012 Defense Department Authorization bill that the Senate is working on this week contains a provision that would authorize the U.S. military to indefinitely detain, without charge or trial, anyone they consider to be engaged in hostilities against the United States. The provision would not restrict military detentions to people in specific countries or regions of the world and would apply to U.S. citizens living within the United States.

As long as you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to worry about, right?

 

[porterjack]

the defintion of "they consider" worries me

if someone like Don Runsfeld were running the Defense Department the interpretation of who he considered to be engaged in hostilities against the US would give him carte blanche

 

[Joe the meek]

http://www.offtopicz.net/showthread.php?80490-Trading-more-liberty-for-security

"There's a reason you separate military and the police. One fights the enemies of the state, the other serves and protects the people. When the military becomes both, then the enemies of the state tend to become the people." Commander William Adama

 

[Accountable]

the defintion of "they consider" worries me

if someone like Don Runsfeld were running the Defense Department the interpretation of who he considered to be engaged in hostilities against the US would give him carte blanche

Exactly! When allowing Washington to take your liberty, you have to consider that anyone that The People may put in office will have that same power, and may twist the definition beyond the original intent. (This is why I'm against Cain's 9-9-9 plan). I don't trust the jackoffs we have in office now, so naturally I'm against this law.

 

[Accountable]

http://www.offtopicz.net/showthread.php?80490-Trading-more-liberty-for-security

"There's a reason you separate military and the police. One fights the enemies of the state, the other serves and protects the people. When the military becomes both, then the enemies of the state tend to become the people." Commander William Adama

Oops. I don't mind if we merge this thread into the original.

Great quote, btw.

 

[Dana]

We'll be just like North Korea in 20-40 years

 

[alice in chains]

This video should clear up any confusion about the intent of American citizens' power...even though this happened somewhere in Asia, lol.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-nXT8lSnPQ

 

[Joe the meek]

Great quote, btw.

I thought so to, well enough that I have to admit it came from Battle Star Galactica:tooth (I can't help but think the writers got it from somewhere but been to lazy to look).

 

[Accountable]

Nope. It appears the script writer was the originator. :clap

 

[Kyle B]

This video should clear up any confusion about the intent of American citizens' power...even though this happened somewhere in Asia, lol.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-nXT8lSnPQ

That happened in PRC!

The tank man's whereabouts have been unknown since the protests. Knowing China, he's probably languishing in a prison somewhere.

 

[Pumpkin]

Great infringement on basic human rights

 

[CityGirl]

Looks like the bill passed the senate last evening. Crickets on Drudge.

The bill passed 93 to 7 during the late session and it will not be reconciled with a House version. Senate holdouts against the bill included Tom Coburn,(R, Okla.), Jeff Merkley (D, Ore.), Bernie Sanders,(I, Vt.) and Tea Party favorite Rand Paul (R, Ky.). http://www.marketwatch.com/story/se...-to-trial-2011-12-02?link=MW_home_latest_news

 

[Accountable]

From CG's link:

[h=3]Held without trial[/h] According to the proposed legislation, the military would be allowed to hold any person suspected of aiding al Qaeda, the Taliban or an associated force without trial until the hostilities authorized by the Authorization for Use of Military Force, enacted just after the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, are declared over.

Defense Secretary Leon Panetta and FBI Director Robert Mueller have opposed the provisions, saying it could hobble attempts to elicit information from suspects.

An amendment that would not “require” the military to hold American citizens or foreigners living legally within the U.S. was added at the last minute, but it doesn’t explicitly ban it.


The U.S. Constitution provides all accused persons with the right to a speedy and public trial by an impartial jury.

 

[MoonOwl]

I was rummaging around in my old bookmarks looking for the bill a few years ago that was similar to this and found this link:

http://www.blacklistednews.com/view.asp?ID=6573

and this one:

http://thomas.loc.gov/home/gpoxmlc110/h1955_rfs.xml

Seems they just tinkered w/the name, added some stuff and tried again...........

Of course, when I first posted about this long ago, the general response was indeed 'if your not doing anything wrong'..........

hehehehehehehehehe...... It's kinda like the that mastermind terrorist guy they showed the other day on the news. I swear he's been killed at least twice in the last decade and then he pops up again. Cuz, I'd certainly like to think they don't all look alike....:ninja

 

[CityGirl]

Of course, when I first posted about this long ago, the general response was indeed 'if your not doing anything wrong'..........

''If you're not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about''-Straight our of Orwell's dust bin.