Occupy Wall Street! Big Protest in New York

[Alien Allen]

I think it was ABC tonite did a bit on it

It is getting some traction

Seems to be a bit more organized than grass roots now though. IMO

 

[Tim]

It's being organized by those who are protesting. As far as I can tell, everything is being done "in house" so to speak. There are a lot of technologically literate folks there and most of the things like live streaming is being run right from the site.

Besides, who would want to co-opt this? Big business? don't think so

 

[Alien Allen]

It's being organized by those who are protesting. As far as I can tell, everything is being done "in house" so to speak. There are a lot of technologically literate folks there and most of the things like live streaming is being run right from the site.

Besides, who would want to co-opt this? Big business? don't think so

Unions are starting to get involved.

http://occupywallst.org/




I heard on the radio they had posted their demands but I can not find them.

 

[Staci]

they are coming to houston tomorrow.....thats what i heard

 

[Tim]

Unions are starting to get involved.

http://occupywallst.org/




I heard on the radio they had posted their demands but I can not find them.

Not demands, but a declaration of the occupation...

http://nycga.cc/2011/09/30/declaration-of-the-occupation-of-new-york-city/

 

[Alien Allen]

Not demands, but a declaration of the occupation...

http://nycga.cc/2011/09/30/declaration-of-the-occupation-of-new-york-city/

I probably should not have use the word demand.

It was more of a wish list and if it was real then we got some real loons involved as one of the items was for ALL credit to be forgiven. Not just bad loans but ALL credit.

This group is going to get hijacked by the far left as a counter measure to the tea party. You can bet on it. All the usual suspects are starting to get involved. It just needs Jessie and Al to step up

 

[Tim]

I probably should not have use the word demand.

It was more of a wish list and if it was real then we got some real loons involved as one of the items was for ALL credit to be forgiven. Not just bad loans but ALL credit.

This group is going to get hijacked by the far left as a counter measure to the tea party. You can bet on it. All the usual suspects are starting to get involved. It just needs Jessie and Al to step up

If you subscribe to their facebook page or look on their site, you will see that they are standing up to the left and the right. There has been a lot of discussion involved with not being co-opted by either side since they are both sell outs. Let's just see how long they can keep the parties out of it and maintain that it's the 99% of all of us

 

[Tim]

This article was just put up on the Hill http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/185681-dems-rally-behind-occupy-wall-street-movement
and there was immediate backlash by OWS that they will not let the democrats nor the republicans steal the show.

 

[Alien Allen]

Found it and I guess they are demands.

And these people are loony as hell.


http://occupywallst.org/forum/proposed-list-of-demands-for-occupy-wall-st-moveme/


Demand one: Restoration of the living wage. This demand can only be met by ending "Freetrade" by re-imposing trade tariffs on all imported goods entering the American market to level the playing field for domestic family farming and domestic manufacturing as most nations that are dumping cheap products onto the American market have radical wage and environmental regulation advantages. Another policy that must be instituted is raise the minimum wage to twenty dollars an hr.


Demand two: Institute a universal single payer healthcare system. To do this all private insurers must be banned from the healthcare market as their only effect on the health of patients is to take money away from doctors, nurses and hospitals preventing them from doing their jobs and hand that money to wall st. investors.


Demand three: Guaranteed living wage income regardless of employment.


Demand four: Free college education.


Demand five: Begin a fast track process to bring the fossil fuel economy to an end while at the same bringing the alternative energy economy up to energy demand.


Demand six: One trillion dollars in infrastructure (Water, Sewer, Rail, Roads and Bridges and Electrical Grid) spending now.
Demand seven: One trillion dollars in ecological restoration planting forests, reestablishing wetlands and the natural flow of river systems and decommissioning of all of America's nuclear power plants.


Demand eight: Racial and gender equal rights amendment.


Demand nine: Open borders migration. anyone can travel anywhere to work and live.


Demand ten: Bring American elections up to international standards of a paper ballot precinct counted and recounted in front of an independent and party observers system.


Demand eleven: Immediate across the board debt forgiveness for all. Debt forgiveness of sovereign debt, commercial loans, home mortgages, home equity loans, credit card debt, student loans and personal loans now! All debt must be stricken from the "Books." World Bank Loans to all Nations, Bank to Bank Debt and all Bonds and Margin Call Debt in the stock market including all Derivatives or Credit Default Swaps, all 65 trillion dollars of them must also be stricken from the "Books." And I don't mean debt that is in default, I mean all debt on the entire planet period.


Demand twelve: Outlaw all credit reporting agencies.


Demand thirteen: Allow all workers to sign a ballot at any time during a union organizing campaign or at any time that represents their yeah or nay to having a union represent them in collective bargaining or to form a union.

These demands will create so many jobs it will be completely impossible to fill them without an open borders policy.

 

[retro]

And they call the Libertarians crazy...

Demand 1: $20/hr minimum wage? I suppose you might be able to pull that off if you levied HUGE tariffs on imported products. But even then, you'd be looking at years before American manufacturing of goods could even hope to meet up with the demand for them, which would allow companies to pay that much money to their employees.

Demand 2: Their premise is flawed, because the current government based health care (Medicare and Medicaid) take more money out of the hands of health care providers than the private insurance companies do.

Demand 3: Wait what? People should be paid even if they aren't working?

Demand 4: All college education? For any degree? Or just an associates? Will doctoral programs be paid for as well? The demand is far too vague and far reaching.

Demand 5: What kind of "fast track" program are they suggesting? Is there even one that exists that could end the fossil fuel demand by replacing it with alternative methods? Haven't governments all over the world been trying to accomplish this for a long time already? What kind of headway has been made? Not a whole helluva lot.

Demand 6: Where are we going to get $1 trillion from?

Demand 7: See Demand 6, and what exactly is that going to accomplish?

Demand 8: The 13th, 14th, 15th, and 19th Amendments aren't enough?

Demand 9: So wait, we're going to allow everyone to come to the United States and work here regardless of their citizenship status? Or we're going to let people go work in other countries? Awfully vague demand and seems to be counterproductive as compared to their other demands.

Demand 10: American elections are already above the standards of other countries in terms of oversight and access. I suppose that you could mandate voting as other countries do, which would eliminate things like voter registration and joining a particular political party.

Demand 11: That's a global demand, and not one on America. Logistically speaking, how would it be accomplished? Would everyone with existing home, auto, and personal loans simply have them go away and they would own their property free and clear?

Demand 12: I honestly do somewhat agree with this, simply because I have serious issues with three numbers basically determining your worth as a person.

Demand 13: This demand seems to be out of place. I'm not entirely certain what it has to do with any of the other demands, nor is it particularly clear in its purpose.

 

[CityGirl]

Wall Street Protest: Time for Conservative Endorsements


Posted on September 30, 2011 by WashingtonsBlog
Big Liberal Endorsements for Wall Street Protest

Given that numerous unions (and see this) and progressive luminaries like Cornell West, Michael Moore, Bernie Sanders and Russel Simmons are joining the Wall Street protest, this may be painted by some as a “left-wing movement”.
Conservatives Support Protests

Of course, United Airlines pilots are not a particularly liberal group, but they joined in.
Indeed, conservatives such as Dylan Ratigan, Karl Denniger and supporters of Ron Paul have also joined in to the protests. Dylan Ratigan, Karl Denninger, and supporters of Ron Paul
The Divide-And-Conquer Technique Is Failing

I’ve repeatedly warned that there is a scripted, psuedo-war between Dems and Repubs, liberals and conservatives which is in reality a false divide-and-conquer dog-and-pony show created by the powers that be to keep the American people divided and distracted. See this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this and this. (In fact, the Founding Fathers warned us about the threat from a two party system.)
The Tea Party was quickly coopted by the Republican Party co-opted by the Republican Party:

Remember that one of the founders of the Tea Party – Karl Denninger – has the current Tea Party (which was quickly co-opted by the mainstream GOP) for serving the rich and the Republican party instead of fighting against the giant banks, and is calling for non-partisan, Gandhi-style nonviolent resistance to take on the banskters.slammed​

Don’t let the Wall Street protests get hijacked by the mainstream Democratic Party.
Time for Big Conservative Endorsements

This is not a liberal or a conservative cause … it is both.
It is time for some big conservative endorsements, to rally around the non-partisan issues important to all Americans. non-partisan issues important to all Americans.
The Tea Party should endorse the protests, but so should the Oath Keepers, taxpayer rights groups, conservative Christians, limited government groups, and all other conservative groups.
A sign from the Wall Street protest shows that the people on the ground get it:
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http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/09/wall-street-protest-time-for-conservative-endorsements.html

I agree wholeheartedly with this comment by Chris:

If this movement is co-opted by the Left like the Tea Party was by the Right the plutocrats and their toady’s have nothing to fear and should smile and drink champagne

 

[cam elle toe]

Found it and I guess they are demands.

And these people are loony as hell.


http://occupywallst.org/forum/proposed-list-of-demands-for-occupy-wall-st-moveme/


Demand one: Restoration of the living wage. This demand can only be met by ending "Freetrade" by re-imposing trade tariffs on all imported goods entering the American market to level the playing field for domestic family farming and domestic manufacturing as most nations that are dumping cheap products onto the American market have radical wage and environmental regulation advantages. Another policy that must be instituted is raise the minimum wage to twenty dollars an hr.


Demand two: Institute a universal single payer healthcare system. To do this all private insurers must be banned from the healthcare market as their only effect on the health of patients is to take money away from doctors, nurses and hospitals preventing them from doing their jobs and hand that money to wall st. investors.


Demand three: Guaranteed living wage income regardless of employment.


Demand four: Free college education.


Demand five: Begin a fast track process to bring the fossil fuel economy to an end while at the same bringing the alternative energy economy up to energy demand.


Demand six: One trillion dollars in infrastructure (Water, Sewer, Rail, Roads and Bridges and Electrical Grid) spending now.
Demand seven: One trillion dollars in ecological restoration planting forests, reestablishing wetlands and the natural flow of river systems and decommissioning of all of America's nuclear power plants.


Demand eight: Racial and gender equal rights amendment.


Demand nine: Open borders migration. anyone can travel anywhere to work and live.


Demand ten: Bring American elections up to international standards of a paper ballot precinct counted and recounted in front of an independent and party observers system.


Demand eleven: Immediate across the board debt forgiveness for all. Debt forgiveness of sovereign debt, commercial loans, home mortgages, home equity loans, credit card debt, student loans and personal loans now! All debt must be stricken from the "Books." World Bank Loans to all Nations, Bank to Bank Debt and all Bonds and Margin Call Debt in the stock market including all Derivatives or Credit Default Swaps, all 65 trillion dollars of them must also be stricken from the "Books." And I don't mean debt that is in default, I mean all debt on the entire planet period.


Demand twelve: Outlaw all credit reporting agencies.


Demand thirteen: Allow all workers to sign a ballot at any time during a union organizing campaign or at any time that represents their yeah or nay to having a union represent them in collective bargaining or to form a union.

These demands will create so many jobs it will be completely impossible to fill them without an open borders policy.

We already have demands one through 4 in place...(with a few differences)...and we're doing OK

 

[cam elle toe]

We already have demands one through 4 in place...(with a few differences)...and we're doing OK

even if we are "loony as hell"

 

[Johnfromokc]

We already have demands one through 4 in place...(with a few differences)...and we're doing OK

You guys are doing better than OK - with less than 5% unemployment to boot. You guys have been doing it right for quite some time. We could stand to learn a lot from you folks on the bottom side of the planet. But it is quite the challenge to get those ideas through some of the thick skulls here who can't comprehend the United States is not the best at everything economic - even though we have all been told that since we were in diapers - and the corpratocracy reinforces it daily. The right wing corporate talk machine is out in force already telling the libertarians (new word for right wingers) what to repeat in response to OWS. They're already repeating it in this thread. (But they don't listen to right wing entertainment media )

 

[CityGirl]

My Fellow OTzies,

I will tell you as I have told other friends, Joe Stiglitz [former Senior Vice President and chief economist of the World Bank, an American economist and a professor at Columbia University who is also a recipient of the Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Sciences (2001) as well as the John Bates Clark Medal (1979)] speaks at the Occupy Wall Street Rally and puts his finger on the pulse. It is a reminder as to why this is everybody's movement.
http://www.youtube.com/watchfeature=player_embedded&v=2TF8L2DWhpw

The protesters are not allowed to use megaphones and so they have created "The People's Microphone" which is where the people in front who can hear, repeat each sentence by the speaker so people in the rear can hear too. That is what democracy sounds like! Anyway, remarking on this inability to use a microphone, Stiglitz says "Their is too much regulation on democracy and not enough regulation on Wall Street."

The issues discussed by Joe Stiglitz and Jeff Madrick in the video above, are the core reason the Tea Party was born. "Tea" in Tea Party is now an anacronym for Taxed Enough Already. The original intent of calling the movement the Tea party was as an identification with the Boston Tea Party protest against the East India Co. The anacronym comes in the wake of it's hijacking from it's grass roots birth. (What a very clever tactic- turn the attention away from the real issue of fraud, theft, socializing losses while capitalizing profits and narrow the focus to a key sore point with many Americans-taxes. It worked like a charm!)

Those of you who have dismissed, demonized and denounced this movement for whatever superficial reasons, i.e. Roseanne Barr spoke there, allowing those reasons to discredit the whole movement in your own mind and compel you to work to discredit the movement in the minds of others ought to be ashamed of yourselves. If you think in the early days of our nation that our founding fathers were in one accord, you are greatly deceived. There were some vociferous debates, arguments and ill feelings but they recognized that much of what they disagreed on was second to the task at hand and that they had to unify in order to win independence. If the people of this nation don't get their heads out of the sand and recognize the common ground we share with an economic and political system that doesn't work, this Republic which we all know is crumbling, will fall as sure as the sun shines. I implore you to get behind this movement.

Yes, there are all kinds of other ideas floating around but nothing is established. It is just like the days of the early revolution....lots of ideas but one common goal...independence. We need market reform. We need the case of Citizen's United to be overturned so that noone can use the power of their dollar to silence the voices of those of us who can't buy a voice. We need the high level fraud to be prosecuted... Those who loot, we should prosecute. The power must be taken from THE PEOPLE and returned to the people.

I recall the early days of the tea party movement and how excited I was. I recognized what a danger this movement was to the establishment. I also recognized when it was coopted and neutered and I see the same tactic going into play this time from the left. Surely we learned from round one that we have to be careful of this infiltration. In response to this article http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/09/wall-street-protest-time-for-conservative-endorsements.html posted above, which calls for conservative endorsement of the Occupy Wall Street movement, a commenter wrote-If this movement is co-opted by the Left like the Tea Party was by the Right the plutocrats and their toady’s have nothing to fear and should smile and drink champagne. He is absolutely right and if that happens, the people on the right will be fully responsible for falling prey to the divide and conquer strategy, having failed to learn from experience with the Tea party movement.

I've read change comes by ballot or bullets. I no longer believe change will come solely from the ballot box and it is not reasonable or prudent to call for violent actions until all peaceful means have been exhausted. We all recognize time is of the essence. We can't cling to the false left-right paradigms. United we stand. Divided we fall. It's up to you.

With the interest of our great nation at heart,
CityGirl


PS. I'm well aware that this site has a majority of young people and I have to tell ya, the failure for this to be a hot topic of discussion is disheartening. This movement could be the single most important event of your lifetime and it is being led by your generation. I hope your failure to give it attention here is not a manifestation of complete indifference on your part.

 

[Johnfromokc]

Check out these looney hippies

 

[MoonOwl]

Indeed

 

[cam elle toe]

Repped C.G:clap

 

[Johnfromokc]

Another looney hippy:

 

[MoonOwl]

and swore to defend it from all enemies. Foreign & domestic.:thumbup