and people say weed isn't addictive...

MacGyver said:
How is it responsible to plan to be drunk, though? To me, it seems silly to say that one can plan to be a responsible idiot - because often, that is what being drunk turns you into.
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Honestly, it seems you are missing the point. Being drunk and loosing a measure of control can be fun, for some. Obviously it is not for you, granted. But it is completely responsible. I know I want to loose a little control, and enjoy the sense shift that comes with Drunkeness, I know I also don't want to do something I will regret. So I put safeguards in place and enjoy the experience that does not happen all that often.

Now, the idiot comment I do take offense with, primarily put, this isn't always the case. I know many... and I do mean many people who retain their intelligence and their ability to make rational and intelligent decisions despite being hammered. Myself, I am fully aware of what is going on, and usually in full control of my decisions... i just get to enjoy a unique feeling experience... which was what I was after in the first place.

Secondly a completely sober person will still do extremely idiotic things, no alcohol required for that. I've been slighted more often, by someone who is stone cold sober... than by anyone who was blitzed.
 
MacGyver said:
I cannot stand smokers who get themselves ill and them have the gall to demand treatment for the lung cancer - and that's taxpayer funded medical treatment we are talking about.
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Seeing that tax on tobacco and alcohol pays the entire cost of the NHS 5 times over, I think they have every right to treatment. Maybe other ill people should thank people who drink and smoke for footing their bill - thats one quite rational thought.

Zorak said:
Do you not see the irony in your name?

A show that only the completely fucked can find good?
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:24::24::24::thumbup
 
retro said:
So you have to be in your 40s in order to have "real" life experiences? Wow........
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I didnt say real life...I put worldly experience into inverted commas:p and was referring to drinking etc.

Unless you started drinking and toking at 5 years old...then YES...I DO have more experience and knowledge :D
 
MacGyver said:
People are stupid for smoking because it is well documented what it does to you. I cannot stand smokers who get themselves ill and them have the gall to demand treatment for the lung cancer - and that's taxpayer funded medical treatment we are talking about.
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FYI, ANYONE can get lung cancer, whether they've smoked 0, 5 or 500 cigarettes. And how can you say that a "drinker" (someone who has a drink daily) is better than someone who gets drunk on occasion? I knew a woman who was a close friend of the family that had a SMALL glass of wine (about 5.8% alcohol) every night with dinner and ended up getting psoriasis of the liver and dying at the age of 49. My grandfather used to get drunk on occasion and lived till he was 80. Now, which case seems better to you?
 
MacGyver said:
True. They pay a lot of tax on those items here, too. But I see such cancer treatment as being for those people who didn't cause their own illnesses. I think if someone is going to smoke, they should be responsible and accept the consequences, or at least quit immediately.
I cannot believe some people get cancer and continue to smoke because they think that it won't help.
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So you dont think people are entitled to treatment the've paid for, alrighty then.:willy_nilly:
You might not understand why people do things that can damage them and that's fair enough but as long as the're not hurting anyone else, what business is it of yours?
 
MacGyver said:
I realise I have strong views and this is one of those things I feel strongly about. It doesn't mean I don't respect your opinions, I do - I just don't necessarily agree.
Kinda disappointed to get neg rep for voicing an opinion, but hey, if people want to be like that...*shrug*
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I wasn't the one that gave negative rep in this case, but there's no need to get bent out of shape or take it personally. Someone is just as allowed to disagree strongly enough with your opinion to give negative rep for it. That's just the way it goes.

People around here take rep too seriously... I don't mean to lump you in with those people, but they're certainly out there.
 
If you are the type of person who is going to take risks and do irresponsible things when you are sober then you are going to do irresponsible things when you are drunk. That is what it comes down to, individual personalities.

I have been embarrassingly drunk on more than one occasion and I have still been able to make the decision NOT to drive 'just 5 minutes down the road' to the dairy, or go for a walk with that creepy guy by myself.

Getting drunk, is not irresponsible, jesus live a little.
 
MacGyver said:
I think that smokers should be made to wait longer for surgery - why should they go ahead of the list in front of someone who didn't do anything to make themselves sick?

And smoking DOES harm others - second hand smoking can kill.
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Dont know where you get the idea from that smokers are cutting in the queue for surgery. Never heard of that happening. But if the're paying for their treatment, I see know reason why they should be given a shitty service just because a few people like you have a problem with them
I dont smoke around others who dont want to be smoked around, please tell me how that is killing anyone else?
 
MoonOwl said:
I've never known anyone who threw their life away over pot. I know plenty who have over coke, crack, prescription pain pills & booze.
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:homo:

When you consider the other shit that people could be throwing their life away over, a little pot or a cigarette every however often is certainly a better option. There are, most decidedly, worse things in the world they could be doing.
 
MacGyver said:
I realise I have strong views and this is one of those things I feel strongly about. It doesn't mean I don't respect your opinions, I do - I just don't necessarily agree.
Kinda disappointed to get neg rep for voicing an opinion, but hey, if people want to be like that...*shrug*
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Don't know who handed out the neg rep, but when you're "just voicing your opinion" you don't call other people stupid, or morons, or idiots. That's part of the reason you're getting the flack that you are, which apparently is something you are having a difficult time understanding.
 
You can't make blanket statements about smokers and drinkers being stupid, idiots and morons, and then complain when other people call you ignorant. If you can't take it back, don't be so disrespectful first.

As for the idea that sick people should be treated based on who 'caused' their own illness? Good luck trying to convince anyone that's a good idea. For a start - we pay taxes for our national health service here, so if you get sick you've already paid for your treatment.

Secondly - how can anyone suggest that you rate people who are sick as more deserving than others? As if the fact that they smoke is the only facet of their personality that they should be judged by. What if you had a social worker who had done a lot of great work in the community and helped hundreds of people and was a generally kind person, but unfortunately started smoking when they were young and never quite managed to give up? Well shit, they're an awful person and don't deserve treatment.

You can't judge people because of one small part of their lives.
 
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