Can a woman agree ahead of time to sex while unconscious, or is it always rape?

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Canada considers "advanced" sexual consent

A court asks: Can a woman agree ahead of time to sex while unconscious, or is it always rape?

By Tracy Clark-Flory
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Canada's Supreme Court will begin considering today whether a woman can give "advanced" consent to sex while unconscious. The case involves a 22-year-old Ottawa woman who claims that she was sodomized with a dildo against her will after passing out from consensual asphyxiation. Her common-law spouse, identified as JA in court records, was convicted of sexual assault by a lower court (he was also convicted of domestic abuse on multiple occasions in the past, by the way). Then an appeals court overturned the conviction on the grounds that she had given advanced consent to sex while unconscious. Now the case goes to the country's top court.
The question the court will have to consider is whether the accuser in this case gave explicit "advanced" consent to any and all sexual activity while unconscious. We can't answer that question, because we don't have all the facts. The bigger question at play here is whether a woman can give legally meaningful "advanced" consent to sexual activity while passed out -- whether it be from choking, drinking or lord knows what else. Clearly, the answer the Supreme Court gives will set a profoundly important legal precedent. If the answer is "yes," a man accused of raping a woman who is passed-out-drunk could claim that she gave "advanced" consent to sex by drinking so much and getting into bed with him. Wait, who am I kidding, those arguments are already made all the time! But such a verdict could certainly give those defenses additional legal weight. It could also make for a defense in marital rape cases -- a husband could argue that his wife, being his wife, had given advanced consent. (Again, an already popular argument.)

If the court rules in the negative, some say it will hurt couples' freedom to experiment with kinky sex. The imagined scenario is one where a woman says that she wants her partner to choke her until she passes out and then have sex with her. But the BDSM community subscribes to the mantra "safe, sane, and consensual." Erotic asphyxiation, especially to the point where someone passes out for an extended period, is not safe; it's incredibly dangerous and potentially deadly. Everything in the S&M world -- from safe words to "slave contracts" -- are designed to avoid any uncertainty about consent. In this particular case, the accuser's argument isn't that she consented to being choked and sodomized while unconscious; the argument is that she consented to the former but not the latter. You could just as easily speculate that a conviction in this case would be a reaffirmation of the values of the BDSM community.
Whatever the court decides in this particular case, the most important thing is that it upholds the fact that, as the Women's Legal Education and Action Fund urged in a letter, "a woman has an absolute right to change her mind about consenting to sexual activity at any point during the sexual encounter if she no longer wishes it to take place."
 
"a woman has an absolute right to change her mind about consenting to sexual activity at any point during the sexual encounter if she no longer wishes it to take place."


and unless it be proven without doubt, ie by witness or handrwritten contract that she waives that right if she loses consciousness

it is IMHO rape and he should have known better
 
"a woman has an absolute right to change her mind about consenting to sexual activity at any point during the sexual encounter if she no longer wishes it to take place."


and unless it be proven without doubt, ie by witness or handrwritten contract that she waives that right if she loses consciousness

it is IMHO rape and he should have known better


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Whatever the court decides in this particular case, the most important thing is that it upholds the fact that, as the Women's Legal Education and Action Fund urged in a letter, "a woman has an absolute right to change her mind about consenting to sexual activity at any point during the sexual encounter if she no longer wishes it to take place."
Good grief we have gone mad.

The dumb ass submits to being chocked to pass out and then complains about the end result

Who wants to guess that she also has filed for divorce

Friggin lawyers and bullshit lawsuits are gonna bury the western world. We don't have to worry about the damn Terrorists from the mideast. We are our own terrorists.
 
I wish the stories would be told or review right from the start.. But it seems to be a slow day and someone decide to dig up a Nov 6, 2010 old story to ..........

J.D. took her complaint to Ottawa police two months after the alleged assault, when she was seeking custody of the couple's toddler.

At trial, she testified that she agreed to be choked unconscious to "spice up" their sex life. After being knocked out for about three minutes, she came to and discovered J.A. had inserted a dildo in her anus, an act she said she had not agreed to in advance. She later recanted her testimony.

J.A. was originally sentenced to 18 months after an Ottawa judge said it was against the law to have sex with an unconscious person.

Restoring his conviction would effectively render "every touching of a sexual nature that occurs while a person is sleeping or unconscious a criminal act, notwithstanding the consent of the supposed victim," J.A.'s lawyer, Howard Krongold, argues in his Supreme Court submission.

"If consent to any form of sexual touching while unconscious is invalidated, it would constitute a sexual assault to arouse one's intimate long-term partner with sexual touching, or even a kiss, even if the partner enthusiastically agreed to it," he wrote.
http://www2.canada.com/saskatoonsta...l?id=1f0474ea-6c65-4f61-bed4-248a18f8d214&p=1

I think I made my point clear as to why she may have brought this to court.. YOU THINK..
 
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I'm confused...consensual asphyxiation?

Yes.. As Allen has stated..

For Adults its called Erotic Asphyxiation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erotic_asphyxiation

There is a Child's game that is very dangerous with a similar name but different method
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fainting_game

As a kid I remember the older kids doing the latter part to us as fun.. I remember one kid almost not coming out of it one day..

Having been forced to take part in the second version by bullies, I would not recommend the first version to any adult..
 
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