Oh boy, looks like N. Korea are hissyfitting again
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-11818005
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-11818005
Koreas in border artillery clash
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it will be very interesting to see what comes out of this
Yeah, just hope it doesn't go to a serious war
i hope not
It's a good time for China-sponsored NK to start hostilities again. The US is pretty much on the outs with most of our allies, our CinC is a pussy, and the UN is more likely to support China than us. The monetary drain might topple us.
This might finally be the end of the US military empire.
This might finally be the end of the US military empire.
You really need to get you head out of your ass for once. Seriously you need to wake the fuck up and use your own brain for once instead of listening to the 15 second soundbites put out by the right. You can call yourself anything you like, but you are nothing more than a neocon in libertarian clothing.
Seriously? This is the bullshit that you hear over and over again from the likes of Hannity and Beck. This statement is not based in reality, not even close. Show me any proof that we are on the outs with any of our allies
Fuck it, I don't even want to waste my time replying to idiotic statements like the ones you made...
I haven't listened to Hannity in years, and Beck in probably 6 months. Are you a regular listener?
Forget the other opinions then, since you can't face them. Tray to contradict the last two.
Forget the other opinions then, since you can't face them. Tray to contradict the last two.
Why you seriously don't want nukes raining down on NK do you? It just might start a chain reaction that no one can get out of
Of course I don't want nukes. I also don't want American troops permanently stationed in SK, Japan, Germany, UK, or anywhere else there is neither war nor American soil. My point is that Obama has shown a propensity to abuse American citizens, dismiss American allies (until pressed), and kowtow to those hostile to America. This administration and the last have weakened our economy and political reputation to the point that a renewed conflict in Korea could very quickly knock the US out as world leader. That's good for the Euro and arguably good for China. In other words, China pulls our strings now. Watch any and every major disagreement between the US & China go China's way from now on.
Well all I have to say is that is your opinion of Obama, I can't really say anything about American politics because I don't live there, but there are some crazies out there who want to nuke NK :thumbup
I dont want a war but I wish they would get it over with already
geez
geez
i thought that britain and america still had a healthy relationship
ladies, please! a little decorum, we have a war threatening to break out. hissyfitting, indeed.
no offense meant, but most of you seem to be youngsters.
accountable is not and he is a vet. show some respect for what he has to say and argue with his arguments and not against his person.
i have 50 years of watching war on the news -- this one is not likely to escalate and if it does, it's because both sides have been choreographing it.
it is not clear that china will even support north korea if they attack.
http://www.cfr.org/publication/22205/us_policy_toward_the_korean_peninsula.html
no offense meant, but most of you seem to be youngsters.
accountable is not and he is a vet. show some respect for what he has to say and argue with his arguments and not against his person.
i have 50 years of watching war on the news -- this one is not likely to escalate and if it does, it's because both sides have been choreographing it.
it is not clear that china will even support north korea if they attack.
- U.S. Policy Toward the Korean Peninsula
Chairs: Charles L. "Jack" Pritchard, President, Korea Economic Institute
John H. Tilelli Jr., Chairman and CEO, Cypress International
Director: Scott A. Snyder, Adjunct Senior Fellow for Korea Studies
Publisher: Council on Foreign Relations Press Release Date: June 2010
96 pages
ISBN 978-0-87609-475-4
Overview
As tensions on the Korean peninsula rise after an international investigation found that North Korea was responsible for the sinking of a South Korean warship, a Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) Independent Task Force warns that North Korea's continued provocations pose a serious threat to its neighbors and that its nuclear weapons program must be stopped. "The United States must seek to resolve rather than simply manage the challenge posed by a nuclear North Korea," asserts the Task Force.
"Excellent."
--Nelson Report
In its report, U.S. Policy Toward the Korean Peninsula, the Task Force emphasizes that "despite the difficulty of the challenge, the danger posed by North Korea is sufficiently severe, and the costs of inaction and acquiescence so high, that the United States and its partners must continue to press for denuclearization." The United States cannot risk "the potential spread of nuclear weapons to rogue states, terrorist groups or others--especially in the Middle East."
The Task Force says that the United States also must provide leadership with its regional partners to "coordinate actions designed to contain th e spillover effects of possible North Korean instability while insisting that North Korea give up its destabilizing course of action." It recommends that contingency planning be prioritized: "Given the uncertainties and associated risks related to North Korea's future, it is necessary and sensible for its neighbors to consider the possibility of volatility in North Korea and plan for its possible effects."
The bipartisan Task Force, chaired by former special envoy for negotiations with North Korea Charles L. "Jack" Pritchard and former commander of UN Command/U.S. Forces Korea John H. Tilelli Jr., and directed by CFR Adjunct Senior Fellow Scott A. Snyder, is comprised of roughly two dozen distinguished experts representing a wide variety of backgrounds. The report commends the U.S.-South Korean partnership and applauds the close alliance coordination following the ship incident. The Task Force urges the passage of the South Korea-U.S. Free Trade Agreement, which it says is good for America and would send a strong message of support for South Korea.
While each member of the Six Party talks--China, Japan, North Korea, Russia, South Korea, and the United States--has its own concerns, "any hope of resolving the North Korean standoff will depend on all parties cooperating with one another and being firm with North Korea." The report emphasizes that "Chinese cooperation is essential to the success of denuclearization on the Korean peninsula and to ensuring regional stability."
The report makes several specific recommendations, including calling for the establishment of a dialogue with China about the future of the Korean peninsula, bilateral talks with North Korea regarding missile development, and close consultations with allies South Korea and Japan. The report recommends that the Obama administration prioritize its approach to North Korea in the following order.- Prevent horizontal proliferation: "The United States and its allies should heighten vigilance against the possibility of a transfer of nuclear weapons technologies or fissile material from North Korea and strengthen the capacity to carry out effective counterproliferation measures."
- Stop vertical proliferation: "North Korea's unconstrained efforts to develop a missile delivery capability for its nuclear arsenal would dramatically expand its ability to threaten its neighbors and further complicate prospects for reversing its nuclear program."
- Denuclearize: "The debate over nonproliferation versus denuclearization is a false choice; the United States and its partners can and must do both by containing proliferation while also pressing for denuclearization."
The Task Force recommends that the United States seek ways to integrate North Korea into the international community, including through cultural and academic exchanges. "The Obama administration should change long-standing U.S. policies blocking North Korea's participation in activities of international financial institutions," notes the report. It also condemns North Korea's abysmal human rights record: "North Korea's shameful human rights situation and failure to meet the needs of its people is a human tragedy that should be addressed by U.S. humanitarian assistance and other measures to improve human rights conditions inside North Korea."
http://www.cfr.org/publication/22205/us_policy_toward_the_korean_peninsula.html
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I am not going against Accountable at all, just wanted his opinion as to why he thought
if we had a military presence and mission like what dwight eisenhower had envisioned, we would all be happy to have our military permanently stationed all over the world, under the ocean and in outer space because they'd be keeping the peace, repairing damage from disaster and building new buildings rather than what the bushwhackers have been doing with our 'military - industrial complex'.
LEST WE FORGET:
In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.
We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y06NSBBRtY short version
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2465144342633379864# long version
As Brüno famously sang:
"Stop fighting North and South Korea, You're both basically Chinese..."
"Stop fighting North and South Korea, You're both basically Chinese..."
larry sinclair says that he has had homosexual relations with the obamanator.
my chicago contacts tell me he did a lot of cruising before he got so visible.
so i guess accountable is offbase calling him a pussy. sounds more like a fudgepacker to me.
I can't believe a devout Christian would have a homosexual relation