My Coming Out Party

[Natasha]

Just out of curiosity how many gays do you know?

While one death is to many...how many in the closet that really aren't living?..People just need to be who they are and they heck with what people think,but that also comes with one just being ones self rather than their life revolving around being gay,,,this would be the flaunting you speak of.
Also this same flaunting as you refereed to regarding race can be the very spark for violence that may have not otherwise existed,harmony of coexistence is dependent upon the very inner peer within

Do you want to know how many I know or how many are what I would consider friends??? I have a gay bestfriend whose child was thrown into foster care by a backwoods southern judge who thought she'd be better off w/o 2 mommies in a rural town...and her wife. I have a very close male friend who was disowned by his father when he came out of the closet. And I have a female friend who has only come out to her sister b/c her parents are very religious and wouldn't accept her. Aside from that I have...hmmm...at least 4 more gay "friends" and many more gay acquaintances. Comes from all those times frequenting karaoke at the local gay bar.

How does ones life revolve around them being gay??? Simply by them dating the same sex and practicing a gay lifestyle??? Going to gay bars???

 

[darkangel]

We need to accept that others WONT accept our lifestyle choices sometimes and deal with it....(and I know, easier said than done) but if we choose to live an "alternative" lifestyle than whats considered the "norm" thats the price we pay.

and that goes for gays, hippies, druggies, swingers, cheaters, drop outs and anyone else you care to name.

Do you believe that it's always a choice? Because it's not. Most people were born into it or had traumatic events happen to them that made them who they are. Now if being who they are is going to earn them a tougher life than straights that pretty fucked up imo.

 

[cam elle toe]

Do you believe that it's always a choice? Because it's not. Most people were born into it or had traumatic events happen to them that made them who they are. Now if being who they are is going to earn them a tougher life than straights that pretty fucked up imo.

Oh yes, I totally believe they wake up and CHOOSE to be gay one day:sarcasm

You dont choose your sexuality, but you CHOOSE to live the lifestyle that goes along with that...and if you KEPT reading...you would see that I included other alternative lifestyle groups too.

and I dont remember saying they deserved a tougher lifestyle at all.

 

[The Man]

Do you want to know how many I know or how many are what I would consider friends??? I have a gay bestfriend whose child was thrown into foster care by a backwoods southern judge who thought she'd be better off w/o 2 mommies in a rural town...and her wife. I have a very close male friend who was disowned by his father when he came out of the closet. And I have a female friend who has only come out to her sister b/c her parents are very religious and wouldn't accept her. Aside from that I have...hmmm...at least 4 more gay "friends" and many more gay acquaintances. Comes from all those times frequenting karaoke at the local gay bar.

How does ones life revolve around them being gay??? Simply by them dating the same sex and practicing a gay lifestyle??? Going to gay bars???

Sorry to hear about your friend losing the child to foster care.however something happened to get the court involved...had they been straight would the same call have been made?...Very Possible...lets face it when it comes to children the courts could care less about the adults involved its all about the child...For instance after a divorce the man many time pays through the teeth in child support..the judge could care less if the man has any money or not if he has enough to get back and forth to work so to say then good enough,
this is so the household the child is in with have the greatest benefit to the child.

Now lets take 2 mommies...the child doesnt have a father figure in the household,so the judge looks at this.
It is a further inmbalence than a conventional marriage..this place the child in an environment that is foriegn in nature to the child/and by your own words it is more dangerous to be gay..so therefore it is best the have the child in the safest household correct?

You do know alot of gays it appears/I do find it unusual that all of them have social problems due to being gay..perhaps it is because of a location that still does not accept gays.

As far as your question what defines life revolve being around gay.

You know the type people that get off work and talk about work all night once they get home...gets old quick doesnt it...they want to whine about the job..its their attention fix..if they arent doing that then they are on the phone being a busy body.

Gays that have posters etc are an example of life revolving around being gay rather than just being gay.
This is their social statement in life/the fix they need just as a hunter placing antlers in the den for everyone to see.

A person doesn't have to be gay for the topic of sex to become annoying/a straight woman could talk about whips and chains ,while maybe entertaining at first will quickly become a social statement

 

[darkangel]

Oh yes, I totally believe they wake up and CHOOSE to be gay one day:sarcasm

You dont choose your sexuality, but you CHOOSE to live the lifestyle that goes along with that...and if you KEPT reading...you would see that I included other alternative lifestyle groups too.

and I dont remember saying they deserved a tougher lifestyle at all.

But thats what they get. Well its either living the lifestyle or remainig fully in the closet or partially in the closet for the rest of your life.

Is that right or fair? The thing that my mother always told me was that nobody said life is fair! Thats why there are so many attempted suicides by gays who are both in and out of the closet. And for that and the deaths that result in that I do blame the ignorance and unacceptance of society as a whole.

 

[cam elle toe]

But thats what they get. Well its either living the lifestyle or remainig fully in the closet or partially in the closet for the rest of your life.

Is that right or fair? The thing that my mother always told me was that nobody said life is fair! Thats why there are so many attempted suicides by gays who are both in and out of the closet. And for that and the deaths that result in that I do blame the ignorance and unacceptance of society as a whole.

Maybe where YOU live but not here...its actually quite trendy here now to be "bi or gay". You cant generalise and say it happens to ALL of them...and it all boils down to how THEY react to the idiotic predjudices of other people..does that make sense?

Most gays that commit suicide arent accepting of themselves....not the fact that OTHERS cant accept it...

and your mother was a VERY wise woman....my mum and a famous ex Prime Minister here said the same thing.

actually...the PM's quote was "Life wasnt meant to be easy"

 

[Dana]

Good point. Let's ask Matthew Shephard...or Moses Cannon...or David Morley...or Tyler Clementi...or Asher Brown...or Seth Walsh...the list goes on and on.



She's in Australia...and she said "Mardi Gras at the CROSS"

musta overlooked that... my bad

 

[AUDRAA]

I was being sarcastic. If you want my thoughts read here. Clicky... No need to jump to conclusions Audra. My thoughts stem from first hand experience with Gays. If you want to jump on my case for that then so be it.

Im not jumping on anyones case I really wanted to know what you thought on this because from what it appeared you decided to change sides so randomly. I really could care less either way, you are entitled to your opinion and its not my place to judge either way.

 

[darkangel]

Maybe where YOU live but not here...its actually quite trendy here now to be "bi or gay". You cant generalise and say it happens to ALL of them...and it all boils down to how THEY react to the idiotic predjudices of other people..does that make sense?

Most gays that commit suicide arent accepting of themselves....not the fact that OTHERS cant accept it...

No it isn't as accepting in my neck of the woods. It's not tendy to be gay ot bi. Do you think its easy to react to what some of society says about you? Or the way some of society treats you? Or the way that some of society thinks about you? Because it's not! And its not that they dont accept themselves its the fear of some of society accepts about you. You have it backward and unless you've been there and are going to come out of the closet right now you cant tell me any different.

and your mother was a VERY wise woman....my mum and a famous ex Prime Minister here said the same thing.

actually...the PM's quote was "Life wasnt meant to be easy"

No my mother wasnt a wise woman. She was a cold and callous emotional and psychological abuser who got her kicks off of making her child miserable! That was the only thing I learned from her.

 

[AUDRAA]

Id just like to say that suicide is a whole issue in itself and if someone is prone to it I dont think it really matters if youre gay or not.

 

[cam elle toe]

No it isn't as accepting in my neck of the woods. It's not tendy to be gay ot bi. Do you think its easy to react to what some of society says about you? Or the way some of society treats you? Or the way that some of society thinks about you? Because it's not! And its not that they dont accept themselves its the fear of some of society accepts about you. You have it backward and unless you've been there and are going to come out of the closet right now you cant tell me any different.


No my mother wasnt a wise woman. She was a cold and callous emotional and psychological abuser who got her kicks off of making her child miserable! That was the only thing I learned from her.

Jesus....I said MOST...not ALL....you really need to READ things in full before getting all bent out of shape.

No, I havent been there, but have counselled and treated people who HAVE....and have relatives and friends who have.. I try not to "generalise" when I post....I talk/post from personal experience...not what I think others want to read or hear.

and I'm sorry bout your Mum....we are a product of our environments are we not?

I'm off to watch the footy Grand Final in case you think I;m doing the bolt.

 

[cam elle toe]

Id just like to say that suicide is a whole issue in itself and if someone is prone to it I dont think it really matters if youre gay or not.

I agree

 

[darkangel]

Id just like to say that suicide is a whole issue in itself and if someone is prone to it I dont think it really matters if youre gay or not.

This is sooooooooo true.

 

[Natasha]

Sorry to hear about your friend losing the child to foster care.however something happened to get the court involved...had they been straight would the same call have been made?...Very Possible...lets face it when it comes to children the courts could care less about the adults involved its all about the child...For instance after a divorce the man many time pays through the teeth in child support..the judge could care less if the man has any money or not if he has enough to get back and forth to work so to say then good enough,
this is so the household the child is in with have the greatest benefit to the child.

They were in court to file the adoption paperwork. Everything was fine until they got to the household part that showed there were 2 females living together. He denied the adoption and ordered her to return her child to the biological mother (also gay, ain't that a kicker!!!). The biological mother REFUSED to take her back...oh hell, go here and read it...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adoption_proceedings_of_Emma_Rose I haven't read the page in a while so it may have been updated. We found out later that Judge Parrot has an openly gay adult son who he has no contact with...perhaps that played into it, I don't know.

You do know alot of gays it appears/I do find it unusual that all of them have social problems due to being gay..perhaps it is because of a location that still does not accept gays.

Well I do live in the Bible Belt...so you may have a point there.

A person doesn't have to be gay for the topic of sex to become annoying/a straight woman could talk about whips and chains ,while maybe entertaining at first will quickly become a social statement

True. As I've told many of my female co-workers who feel the need to discuss their gynecological problems..."I love you girls, but I don't want to hear about your twat...what's going on w/ it, what goes in it, who has been in it, whatever."

 

[Dana]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3ZLbtWEQ54

 

[Dana]

They were in court to file the adoption paperwork. Everything was fine until they got to the household part that showed there were 2 females living together. He denied the adoption and ordered her to return her child to the biological mother (also gay, ain't that a kicker!!!). The biological mother REFUSED to take her back...oh hell, go here and read it...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adoption_proceedings_of_Emma_Rose I haven't read the page in a while so it may have been updated. We found out later that Judge Parrot has an openly gay adult son who he has no contact with...perhaps that played into it, I don't know.



Well I do live in the Bible Belt...so you may have a point there.

is that like a chastity belt? :willy_nilly:

 

[Natasha]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adoption_proceedings_of_Emma_Rose

One thing I need to clarify that the article doesn't address. Elizabeth was adopting Emma on her own, not w/ Kacy (her partner at the time), b/c their relationship was coming to an end at that time. However, when DFACS came in to do the home evaluation they required her to list all income for the house, even though Kacy was not involved w/ the adoption. THAT is what he used to try to say they were trying to adopt as a gay couple.

 

[HottyToddyChick]

:homo:

The reason straight people don't need a coming out party, is for the simple fact that society automatically assumes you are straight given no other facts. So since everyone is assumed straight, a coming out party would let their friends and family know otherwise.

I find it curious that the straight community can be proud of their sexuality and display it publicly anytime they want, but when a gay individual does, he's seen as flaunting it. :dunno:

This isn't meant as a contradiction, so please don't take it that way, but couldn't a debutant ball be seen as a straight version of coming out?

 

[Tim]

This isn't meant as a contradiction, so please don't take it that way, but couldn't a debutant ball be seen as a straight version of coming out?

Not really, because the sexual orientation isn't being celebrated or announced. Debutant balls were held by high society to basically announce the coming of age of their daughters. It was a type of high society pairing of available singles.
I view debutant balls to be very similar to bar mitzvah

 

[skyblue]

personally gays dont bother me at all...and what i will say about gay males,especially the younger ones is that they tend to dress pin sharp