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All Else Failed
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no one cares
Thank you! You are a really nice person.
Gee, thanks for the vote of confidence. Is it just me, or am I getting the feeling that you really don't like me?
All Else Failed
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I have nothing personal against you, actually. I just think your ideologies are disturbing.
Really!?! Same here! I find your ideologies disturbing! OMG We should get together sometime!
All Else Failed
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No see my ideologies aren't based in emotionless, robotic greed.
Well see my ideologies aren't based in militaristic, thieving altruism.
All Else Failed
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lol capitalism isn't militaristic and thieving? haha
Capitalism is the free exchange between individuals, with the elimination of force. We do not earn profits by having a military. We do not thieve - we trade. Value for Value, no force involved. We do so for our rational self-interest. There is no rationality in forcing another to give you something. We do not profit when a building is bombed, we do not thieve if we cannot have something. We only use a military when we have been attacked, and we do not thieve - EVER. It is the greatest moral sin in Capitalism, to take instead of trade.
Socialism, however, is the opposite. It is forced altruism. Unless you give the government the money so that it can give it to the poor man who doesn't want to work, you are arrested. There is no value involved, no voluntary exchange. A military forces you to trade for x amount, instead of trading freely with another. You are told how much to trade for, rather then using your independent reason to make the judgment of how much it should be traded for. If you defy, you are arrested. The government points a gun at both of the traders heads and tells them how to trade. That is the evil of socialism - force. Coercion. The invalidation of individual reason. Hate. Malice. Altruism.
You must make the choice between the Gun and the Dollar. There is no other. Be quick - Time is running out.
All Else Failed
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Um, hello that happens under capitalism as well, even more so. Do you live under a rock?
Oh please, there's PLENTY of force in capitalism. You're forced to live the way you live because of money. Capitalism is all about taking money from you and using it for it's own interests. That is what in your own words call "thieving".
We do not thieve when we cannot have something? Tell that to Iraq, pal.
You have no idea what democratic socialism is like. Have you ever visited a nation that is a mixed socialist government? I'm willing to bet they are overall smarter, happier and healthier.
No, that's in a mixed economy. A semi-Capitalist economy. Not a true, ideal capitalist economy.
No, it's about trading. If you do not want to live a certain way, then change it. Earn more. Trade more. Or earn less. Trade less. Whatever floats your boat. Capitalism is all about TRADING. Not Taking.
We are over there for purely political reasons. They attacked us. We struck back. There is no economics involved.
Have you? I'm willing to bet they are overall smarter, happier, and healthier too, but for different reasons. They live in an enlightenment culture which values learning - we live in a hard rock cafe culture which does not. They have struggled through the middle ages, they are content with most anything. Until they experience capitalism, they won't know what it's like to be happy in a capitalist state. Healthy - they live in a culture which values health more then ours. It has nothing to do with the economy or the gov't - just the culture.
All Else Failed
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uh, Iraq didn't attack us
Islamo-fascists attacked us. Iraq supported Islamo-fascists. Therefore, they are guilty by association. Just like Iran, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, Lebanon, and other islamofascist regimes.
All Else Failed
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hey like us! You do know that we have been funding Islamic fundamentalist groups since the 70's, and still are, right?
But no, you'll worm your way out of that one as well.
:nod:
The reason we have is an enemy-of-my-enemy-is-my-friend thing. At least, we did during the 80's. After Communism fell, then we had no excuse, and we shouldn't have been doing it. But the choice was either help islamofascists temporarily or let communism spread. We chose the first one. And then we did prolong it, yes, but during the 70's and 80's, we were justified.
All Else Failed
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We're guilty by association though in your own words and logic, so maybe we need to start letting heads roll?
I guess basically starting radical islam in the middle east is excusable sometimes? huh?
Yes, but only if it's fighting communism. We must look at the hierarchy of evil political systems (most evil at top, least evil at bottom (but still evil)):
Nazism
Communism
Islamofascism
Run-of-the-Mill Fascism
Anarchism
Democratic Socialism
So when Islamofascists fight Communists, they are excusable.
All Else Failed
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No see, what you're really saying here is: Terrorism is ok as long as its not pointed in our direction. The US is guilty of plenty of terrorism as well. The CIA is a great example.
Oh and you even comparing Democratic socialism with nazism is strikingly hilarious, and exposes your FOX news-esque radicalism.
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