World Peace
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id love to see what ya'll have answer on the topic....heres mine...
yes, and i think it can happen in so many ways, its hard to say which way it will go down. whether we all get the same idea at once, or one person sends their idea out like a shock wave, engulfing all in its path.
I’d have to say my most ecstatic experience was my first. I was living in a shelter in oakland at the time with my family. a place delivery people would not go to in fear of their lives (a perfect setting for the miraculous. at the time, i was on the path of prideful intelligence, but not in compassion.
the last night there i was sitting with an older man, about 40. he had a very bad stuttering problem, and his mind functioned at maybe a 10 year olds level. as we were talking, i had a flash of many thoughts, of struggle and unease, of his sadness and all who feel the same. the exact words are unclear to this day, as it seems to go with all these moments, but the words were not mine to begin with, but from the helpful source.
i was but a vessel when i told him that everything was ok, and that he could speak freely with me and not get ahead of himself (along those lines, words that seemed to mean more to him then me). for the next 5 mins, the words fell from his mouth like a peaceful stream, and we embraced and cried.
from that moment on i knew what i was here for, and the purpose was as clear as day. since then, it seems every little piece of dirt i clean myself of, im able to be the vessel a little longer, and less far apart. which makes me think, if i keep it up, who knows, maybe i can send a shock wave.
yes, and i think it can happen in so many ways, its hard to say which way it will go down. whether we all get the same idea at once, or one person sends their idea out like a shock wave, engulfing all in its path.
I’d have to say my most ecstatic experience was my first. I was living in a shelter in oakland at the time with my family. a place delivery people would not go to in fear of their lives (a perfect setting for the miraculous. at the time, i was on the path of prideful intelligence, but not in compassion.
the last night there i was sitting with an older man, about 40. he had a very bad stuttering problem, and his mind functioned at maybe a 10 year olds level. as we were talking, i had a flash of many thoughts, of struggle and unease, of his sadness and all who feel the same. the exact words are unclear to this day, as it seems to go with all these moments, but the words were not mine to begin with, but from the helpful source.
i was but a vessel when i told him that everything was ok, and that he could speak freely with me and not get ahead of himself (along those lines, words that seemed to mean more to him then me). for the next 5 mins, the words fell from his mouth like a peaceful stream, and we embraced and cried.
from that moment on i knew what i was here for, and the purpose was as clear as day. since then, it seems every little piece of dirt i clean myself of, im able to be the vessel a little longer, and less far apart. which makes me think, if i keep it up, who knows, maybe i can send a shock wave.
All Else Failed
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We must change our human nature first, I suppose. I believe we are born neither good or bad, but certain human constructs like money, materialism, religion, and class make humans pitted against each other. I'm not saying we drop them completely, or at all, just how we go about doing and partaking in them.
yeah, if adults where always good role models, at all times, this would be an easy solution. for some, the only goodness some people feel in their life it being fed when they were a baby to stay alive, because none of us can feed ourselves when we are that small, someone has to take the time to feed us
The only way to achieve world peace is for everyone to become a buddhist. They are true pacifists who are trying to lose all worldly desires, while the first world is all about greed & wanting what the other person has.
No world peace - no way.
Allan
No world peace - no way.
Allan
i think there is going to have to be various forms of belief, though if everyone was a perfect buddhist it would work, same would go for christians, i think its just a little easier to be a buddist, cause u dont really have to help anybody....most escape the people in need and run to the hills to be alone, forever.
Actually I doubt very much that if there only Christians in the world that there would be world peace.
Firstly there are the problems that are obvious in just the mainstream versions of christainity - catholics & their beliefs about birth control, the holy trinity, Mary... etc versus the gentler Uniting churches, but there is an even stronger problem with all the fundamentalist christians & other weirder forms of christianity.
At different stages throughout history some of these factions were at violent war with each other.
Christianity is not a single religion as some people would have us believe but is made up of many factions, similar in many ways to Islam.
Allan
Firstly there are the problems that are obvious in just the mainstream versions of christainity - catholics & their beliefs about birth control, the holy trinity, Mary... etc versus the gentler Uniting churches, but there is an even stronger problem with all the fundamentalist christians & other weirder forms of christianity.
At different stages throughout history some of these factions were at violent war with each other.
Christianity is not a single religion as some people would have us believe but is made up of many factions, similar in many ways to Islam.
Allan
Yep, look at Ireland
yes, but this all goes back to asking, where are the real christians? if you can find one, let me know! someone who is walking with the compassion of jesus in every step? show me! my father was never religious, but he was smart enough to know that if the world was full of people with jesus' heart, there would be no more war, or anything worth getting mad about
"You may think I'm a dreamer but I'm not the only one"
i can imagine there being no religion in a perfect world, if everyone had a heart like jesus, then there would be no need to to associate to any given organization but to love itself. there would be no more church because there would be no need (not like its really needed now anyways)
i fully agree. jesus did not break bread with sinless people, or people who always agreed with him, he dined with all walks of life, esspecially the ones who never heard such loving words. The shephard does not cling to the flock, but goes in search of those who need help. why congregate with people who already know what to do, and the words. why not go on a sunday morning to any homeless shelter, or city, or something, and help those who need it.
I whole heartedly agree with you. Besides, people should start working together. Why would it really matter your religion when you are trying to do good things for others? some of the best human beings I know are atheists or muslims.
GraceAbounds
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And many folks that are not religious are only kind or generous for manipulative, self serving reasons. You can no more be sure of their motive than with someone that believes in God.
True Christians give because they want to, because they have Christ residing in their hearts. It is not to gain brownie points. Christians do not believe they get to heaven through good works. They believe they are saved by the grace of God as to not be able to compare themselves to others and boast.
I have to agree with Grace here. I don't expect to earn Heaven. Whether God existed or not, I'd still do the same. I try to behave with people on this earth exactly how I'd like it for myself and to treat others how they deserve to be treated. I try to live my life according to my principles, and they just happen to be similar to the ones Jesus taught us.
When you give to a poor guy in the street or to charities, it's rarely for manipulative reasons. What's there to manipulate? Now if we're talking about a man offering gifts to a pretty woman... we're obviously not in generosity anymore.
I never said all christians, I said some of them. And I know by experience that's the case.
Actually there are several social psychology theories about helping that say nobody help without a selfish reason. But that's for another thread.
I think that the most important thing about helping is change the pity view. I don't help people because I pity the (in a protective way), but because that's what every human DESERVES.
I think that the most important thing about helping is change the pity view. I don't help people because I pity the (in a protective way), but because that's what every human DESERVES.
Well, I always believed that most people who would stop on the highway to help someone change his wheel under a heavy rain for example, partly do that because they want to think probably someone would do the same if they were in the unlucky driver situation.
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