Why Student Loans Suck

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Johnfromokc

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This 7 minute phone call with a Sallie Mae customer service rep explains why you should NEVER apply for a student loan. You become their slave if you hit hard times.

[video=youtube;718W503T4zc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=718W503T4zc[/video]
 
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She got private loans probably cosigned by her parents (otherwise they don't give them to you - I know I've tried!)
Which means she or her parents had to have SOME money to begin with.

I'm paying $1,112.34 a month in student loans. If I can do it, this girl can. There are ways if you want it bad enough. You can't tell me that she went to some school and graduated and can't get ANY job. Even if you have to move or join the PeaceCorps or take a low paying job, there are ways. Especially if you can afford a phone, a laptop and video editing software.

I'm sure there are people out there who are getting taken advantage of, but that's in every situation in life. No doubt Sallie Mae are some selfish assholes, but really?? You borrowed the money. Pay it off.

Work two jobs - work three jobs - do what it takes - there is always a way. Live in Section 8, get on food stamps - WHATEVER it takes.
 

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OR instead of not paying at all, if she could pay a lower monthly note then there's another type of forebearance which is actually better than what she's asking for.

The kind she's asking about stops payments all together for three months.



Sorry - this just pisses me off. This encourages the attitude in some people that "The system is so fucked up so I'm not going to pay."
There's no way when you're in school that you can actually think you're not going to have to pay off these loans. And if you do think that way and take out a shit load of loans to pay for extras you don't need, then I say you kind of deserve the whiplash.
 
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I didn't immediately go to college at age 18. And the benefit to that is I was able to accumulate a decent savings in part because of me not going to college.

It's a lot of stress for a young person just starting out to feel the pressure of having to pay off big loans.
 

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i was 25 when i went to college as well, so i paid for most of my school myself and have gotten loans only when needed
 

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Some of the scholarships I applied for were only available to students who went to college straight from high school. Luckily I was able to get an additional academic based scholarship to pay for most of the rest. Then my full time job helped pay for books and whatever tuition remained.

My husband had to get a loan for his most recent schooling. We haven't had to start paying them off yet since he is in his last semester. I will be curious to see what the payments end up being.
 

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I have sympathy for students who come out of school with 100k+ in debt. That shit must be scary. I would'nt want to be in that position.

Thing is, the student and their parent agree to these loans. If you don't want to pay a huge amount of money, go to a cheaper school.
 

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Interesting comments thus far. I wonder - did anyone actually look into this young womans story before passing such harsh judgement on her?

I have posted her story below. I also have some questions for her critics.

She got private loans probably cosigned by her parents (otherwise they don't give them to you - I know I've tried!)
Which means she or her parents had to have SOME money to begin with.

An incorrect assumption.

I'm paying $1,112.34 a month in student loans. If I can do it, this girl can. There are ways if you want it bad enough. You can't tell me that she went to some school and graduated and can't get ANY job. Even if you have to move or join the PeaceCorps or take a low paying job, there are ways. Especially if you can afford a phone, a laptop and video editing software.

Would you mind telling what your degree is in and the terms of your student loans?

Do you work in the field of your degree?

Are you earning what you expected to earn with your degree?

What is the top income you expect to earn in your degree field?

I'm sure there are people out there who are getting taken advantage of, but that's in every situation in life. No doubt Sallie Mae are some selfish assholes, but really?? You borrowed the money. Pay it off.

I did not see this young woman even suggest that she not have to pay off the loan. She was simply looking for some reasonable relief until she can find employment.

Work two jobs - work three jobs - do what it takes - there is always a way. Live in Section 8, get on food stamps - WHATEVER it takes.

Isn't that easy for someone in the spectator seats to tell someone in her position? If you were in her situation, parents deceased, no one to turn to, do you still think you would maintain your present attitude?

OR instead of not paying at all, if she could pay a lower monthly note then there's another type of forebearance which is actually better than what she's asking for.

Did you watch the entire presentation? The Sallie Mae CSR did not offer any other alternative that I saw.

The kind she's asking about stops payments all together for three months.

When you are unemployed and every penny you have is going to subsistence, what other choice do you have?

Sorry - this just pisses me off. This encourages the attitude in some people that "The system is so fucked up so I'm not going to pay."

At no time did this young woman even suggest that she did not want to pay.

There's no way when you're in school that you can actually think you're not going to have to pay off these loans. And if you do think that way and take out a shit load of loans to pay for extras you don't need, then I say you kind of deserve the whiplash.

Sounds to me like this young woman is trying to do the right thing, but is in a tough situation and receiving zero sympathy from the lender who is attaching a lot of creative fees.

Yeah - your parents dying makes one deserving of whiplash.

oh suck it up! those of us that got student loans knew what we were getting into.

Here's the story of the woman in the video:

I'm Stef, a recent graduate of a public college who took out private student loans through Sallie Mae before the credit crunch. Despite my school's relatively low tuition and my full-time job, I still needed the extra help in order to pay for my rent, utilities, and groceries because my parents had passed away. Sallie Mae loaned me money with a 9.75 percent interest rate because I didn't have anyone who could co-sign.

I graduated in May with honors, but even with an advanced degree in a technical field, I still haven't found full-time work. I'm doing everything I can to avoid defaulting on my loans, but Sallie Mae has charged me hundreds of dollars in extra fees because I've had to delay my payments (called forbearance).

Federal loans allow the unemployed to defer payments without any fees, so the same kindness is not too much to ask from America's largest private lender.

Since May, I've already had to pay $300 to Sallie Mae in these "forbearance fees." ($50 per loan for every 3 month block. Consolidation is not an option.) Not a dime has gone to help pay down my loan principal. Meanwhile, the interest on my loans keeps growing -- meaning that Sallie Mae will cash in two times -- once with the extra fees they're charging me, and again when I pay the interest that accrues as I look for work.

As an unemployed person desperately looking for work, I need every extra dollar I have to pay for rent, electricity and groceries. But Sallie Mae is preying on people like me and cashing in on the fact that we need more time to find work before we can repay our student loans.

If I don't find full-time work before the end of December, Sallie Mae is going to charge me another $150 in "forbearance fees" -- while my total debt continues to grow by approximately $500.
 

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This 7 minute phone call with a Sallie Mae customer service rep explains why you should NEVER apply for a student loan. You become their slave if you hit hard times.
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I didn't go to college unti my mid-20's myself. I went to the cheapest school in Maine, a community college. It was very affordable, especially when you consider that many jobs that require years of education don't pay so great.
 

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Correct me if I am wrong but they are merely charging her added costs for not paying. There are no free rides. You take out a loan you have to live by the terms. If you can not live up to those terms it is not Sallie Maes fault.
 

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i looked at her story, and again this is something that sucks, most definatly, but it happens.

just like my mortage or my car, with me being unemployeed i cant ask for a forbearance until i get another job. hell i am applying at bars, resturants, medical field, etc and still have not had any calls backs.

when i got my loans i knew that one day i would pay them back. i am not looking for free rides or anything like that. do i think its shit that they are not regulated, yes i do! they can call you all hours of day or night, become harrassing and very rude, even when your not. but i am not looking for everything to be regulated.
 

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Correct me if I am wrong but they are merely charging her added costs for not paying. There are no free rides. You take out a loan you have to live by the terms. If you can not live up to those terms it is not Sallie Maes fault.

Merely? These motherfuckers take advantage of young, inexperienced students. So, yeah, they are merely gouging the hell out of this girl and untold thousands of others.

And it's never the lenders fault when they loan more money than they KNOW the borrower will ever be able to be back?

Something is really fucked up here and the apologists for the predatory lenders shows the mental conditioning many have succumbed to.

Personally, I would NEVER borrow money for college. That is the prime reason tuition continues to go up year after year. Colleges - both public and private are colluding with these predatory lenders because the colleges know they will get their money. This "easy" money allows colleges to charge more than the degrees are worth. All this bullshit borrowing makes it harder on families like mine that pay as we go. THAT pisses me off.

Think about this - no other lender has accomplished what these predators have. What other loan has the law written that you cannot bankrupt out of it unless you are 100% disabled? And if you are not 100% disabled, they can garnish your disability checks.

It's built in fraud. The lender has little incentive to follow sound lending practices when they know they can hound you to your fucking grave to get their money.

If these scum bag lenders knew people could bankrupt out if they couldn't pay, it would force those lenders to only lend to people with the ability to repay. The way it is now, lenders will continue to hand out more and more money, driving tuition higher and higher.

I understand how some of you have no sympathy for this girl - but how can you justify the lending practices?
 

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So you expect people to go to school a term and then work for a year and then go to school a term. And then repeat the process?

I got no problem with that. But I doubt many kids are willing to work at pretty low wages all those years.

I had an uncle ages ago work the summer to pay for school. My dad worked almost full time while going to college. That is not feasible anymore.

I am all for cutting cost for getting a degree. I would eliminate the bullshit classes that kids are forced to take. That would cut the cost alone by 25% I would think.

There is an odd twist to this debate. We are told one must get a college education to get anywhere. A lot of jobs you won't get without a degree.

Unless you can find a way to pay for free college I don't see how the vast majority of students can go unless they get loans. If you want to go that route and not take years to get a degree then you are stuck with the terms of a loan. Pretty simple really
 

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So you expect people to go to school a term and then work for a year and then go to school a term. And then repeat the process?

Student loans are a mistake. They accomplish little other than driving tuition beyond affordability for most people. If the colleges did not have access to this easy money, tuition would still be affordable.

As it is, you can still do it on a cash basis if you attend part time. That sucks, but you can get that degree in 6 - 7 years and graduate debt free versus in 4 years and $20,000+ in debt and accumulated interest for the next 20 - 30 years. And the $20K is the very low end. It's often in the range of $50K for a bachelors.

We are fortunate enough to be able to pay our kids college semester by semester. They are living at home and attend the local university. Colleges knickle and dime you to death. There's a goddamned additional fee for everything. If you pay the tuition in full with a credit card, they charge a 2.7% "convenience" fee. This fee goes to a third party processing company. WTF? You would think a university the size of UCO would have a credit card processing account with a local bank for a fraction of a percent. But no - they are in collusion with these finance companies and are likely getting a part of that 2.7% fee as a kick back. We only use credit cards that pay us between 1% to 5% cash back and pay the balance in full each billing cycle. We would like to use that card to pay tuition - but I'll be damned if I'll pay a fucking dime to some asshole third party finace racket if it can be avoided.

I got no problem with that. But I doubt many kids are willing to work at pretty low wages all those years.

This instant gratification culture we live in promotes buy-now-pay-later - and that always drives up cost. The only winners are the finance companies and the colleges. The students and parents are the losers.

Many of the degrees they are selling these kids are worthless. And yes - they are selling degrees because of the easy finance money available. Signing up for college today is often like sitting through a sales presentation instead of a counseling session to determine the best degree path for the student. It's all about the bottom line to the school.

I had an uncle ages ago work the summer to pay for school. My dad worked almost full time while going to college. That is not feasible anymore.

I am all for cutting cost for getting a degree. I would eliminate the bullshit classes that kids are forced to take. That would cut the cost alone by 25% I would think.

The financing is why this is the case. Easily available loan money makes tuition more expensive. Our culture wants it "NOW" - and pay later. The problem is that people increasingly are unable to pay later because so many worthless degrees are out there paid for with borrowed money. And the jobs don't pay as well as that college sales professional promised.

There is an odd twist to this debate. We are told one must get a college education to get anywhere. A lot of jobs you won't get without a degree.

And wages are going lower and lower even for degreed employees. Most students would be better off working that low wage job up front for a few years and going to school part time and paying cash rather than borrowing for a degree and still getting low wages and no hope of repaying the loan.

Unless you can find a way to pay for free college I don't see how the vast majority of students can go unless they get loans. If you want to go that route and not take years to get a degree then you are stuck with the terms of a loan. Pretty simple really

I believe education is deserving of government funding for students that qualify. And by qualify, I mean those with the academic ability to successfully complete the degree program. If you can't pass the entrance exam, then no funding. You flunk out - no more funding for a semester. If you can't pass, then find another career track.

As it stands, money is being loaned to anyone who can breathe regardless of whether they can pass. A high number of student loans are owed by drop outs who could not complete the work. Again - who wins here? Thats right - the finance company who will be paid until the death of the debtor if necessary.

This is a sad situation that requires reform. There should at the very least be tuition forgivness programs for students who agree to work in certain fields in certain locations for a certian period of time. Locking people into a loan for life only benefits the banks.

As long as we keep on apologizing for predatory tuition lenders and allowing politicians to write laws that benefit these crooks, things will never change.
 

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Student loans are a mistake. They accomplish little other than driving tuition beyond affordability for most people. If the colleges did not have access to this easy money, tuition would still be affordable.

If you substitute health insurance for Student loans the same can be said for health care though. One of my high school buddies made that observation 20+ years ago. It is off topic but if people had only catastrophic care there is no way health care would cost as much as it does. Insurance drives up cost. I could make the argument based on your observation that a student loan is nothing more than insurance to get a degree.
 

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I agree with many of your observations John. I particularly agree that some forgiveness should be considered if a person takes on a particular job as a public service. You do realize though that there will be some that argue that is not fair as it is taking away a job from somebody.

We have what I call K-Mart / McDonalds' itis. We want it cheap and we want it now.
 

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Student loans are a mistake. They accomplish little other than driving tuition beyond affordability for most people. If the colleges did not have access to this easy money, tuition would still be affordable.
Offtopic: The exact same thing can be said for health insurance.
 
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