Where Did God Come From?

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So obviously this is a question to people who believe in God, especially the creation theory. Assuming God made everything, who made God? Did he just evolve or something? Where did he come from?
 
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It is beyond our human understanding. I have pondered this my whole life, off and on, and there is no human answer...
 
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Peter Parka said:
So obviously this is a question to people who believe in God, especially the creation theory. Assuming God made everything, who made God? Did he just evolve or something? Where did he come from?
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The problem you run into here is the notion that anyone knows God. Since you can never fully comprehend what God is, it is meaningless to ask 'how did such a being come into existence?'; to ask such a question puts limits on what 'such a being' is. These limits would be invalid and arbitrary.
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Take a look around you from where you sit. You will notice that everything in the room is ‘made’: the walls, the upholstery, the ceiling, the chair where you sit, the book you hold in your hand, the glass on the table and countless other details. None of them happen to exist in your room of their own accord. Even the simple loops of the carpet were made by someone: they did not appear spontaneously or by chance.
A person who is about to read a book knows that it has been written by an author for a specific reason. It would not even occur to him that this book might have come into being by chance. In the same manner, a person who sees a sculpture has no doubt whatsoever that it was made by a sculptor. And not just works of art: even a few bricks resting on top of one another make one think that they must have been brought to rest just so by someone within a certain plan. Therefore, everywhere where there is an order – either small or big – a founder and protector of this order must also exist. If, one day, somebody came forward and said that raw iron and coal came together to form steel by chance, which in turn constructed the Eiffel Tower again by chance, would not he and those who believed him be regarded as insane?
The claim of the theory of evolution, the unique method of denying the existence of Allah, is no different than this. According to the theory, lifeless atoms formed amino acids by chance, amino acids formed proteins by chance, and finally proteins formed living creatures again by chance. However, the probability of a living creature being formed by coincidence is less than the probability of the Eiffel Tower being formed in the same manner, because even the simplest human cell is more sophisticated than any man-made structure in the world.
How is it possible to think that the balance in the world came about by coincidence when the extraordinary harmony of nature is observable even with the naked eye? It is the most unreasonable claim to say that the universe, each point of which suggests the existence of its Creator, has come into being on its own. Therefore, there should be an owner of the balance visible everywhere from our body to the farthest corners of the inconceivably vast universe. So, who is this Creator that ordained everything so subtly and created all? He cannot be any material being present within the universe, because His must be a will that existed before the universe and created the universe thereupon. The Almighty Creator is One Whom everything finds existence, yet Whose existence is without any beginning or end. CONTINUED: http://www.harunyahya.com/A_tr.php
 
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Temperamental said:
The problem you run into here is the notion that anyone knows God. Since you can never fully comprehend what God is, it is meaningless to ask 'how did such a being come into existence?'; to ask such a question puts limits on what 'such a being' is. These limits would be invalid and arbitrary.
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Take a look around you from where you sit. You will notice that everything in the room is ‘made’: the walls, the upholstery, the ceiling, the chair where you sit, the book you hold in your hand, the glass on the table and countless other details. None of them happen to exist in your room of their own accord. Even the simple loops of the carpet were made by someone: they did not appear spontaneously or by chance.
A person who is about to read a book knows that it has been written by an author for a specific reason. It would not even occur to him that this book might have come into being by chance. In the same manner, a person who sees a sculpture has no doubt whatsoever that it was made by a sculptor. And not just works of art: even a few bricks resting on top of one another make one think that they must have been brought to rest just so by someone within a certain plan. Therefore, everywhere where there is an order – either small or big – a founder and protector of this order must also exist. If, one day, somebody came forward and said that raw iron and coal came together to form steel by chance, which in turn constructed the Eiffel Tower again by chance, would not he and those who believed him be regarded as insane?
The claim of the theory of evolution, the unique method of denying the existence of Allah, is no different than this. According to the theory, lifeless atoms formed amino acids by chance, amino acids formed proteins by chance, and finally proteins formed living creatures again by chance. However, the probability of a living creature being formed by coincidence is less than the probability of the Eiffel Tower being formed in the same manner, because even the simplest human cell is more sophisticated than any man-made structure in the world.
How is it possible to think that the balance in the world came about by coincidence when the extraordinary harmony of nature is observable even with the naked eye? It is the most unreasonable claim to say that the universe, each point of which suggests the existence of its Creator, has come into being on its own. Therefore, there should be an owner of the balance visible everywhere from our body to the farthest corners of the inconceivably vast universe. So, who is this Creator that ordained everything so subtly and created all? He cannot be any material being present within the universe, because His must be a will that existed before the universe and created the universe thereupon. The Almighty Creator is One Whom everything finds existence, yet Whose existence is without any beginning or end. CONTINUED: http://www.harunyahya.com/A_tr.php
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So let me get the cliff notes here if I'm right, essentially you're saying that there has never been a time when the creator didn't exist?
 
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There is no evidence to prove that God does or doesn't exists, so this question has no known answer by default.
 
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Mase said:
There is no evidence to prove that God does or doesn't exists, so this question has no known answer by default.
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Im afraid its up to the believers to prove god exists, not the the non-believers to prove he doesnt..

so God does not exist, untill proven otherwise in my eyes :thumbup
 
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Confucius say: When not know answer to question, answer back with question. If question come back again, ask 'nodder question and so fourths and so fifths. Sooner or later give up they will.
 
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I think God came from Art. At first there was Art, and it gave birth to God, who went onto worship Art by building the world and putting great emphasis on it. But then we, as people, fucked that up by not putting enough emphasis on it. We're so busy debating the existence of God that we forget to debate the existence of Art.

Since God is a part of Art, and we can debate God to no end without any answers that are satisfactory to everybody, it is only safe to assume that (also due to it being proved) debating Art would wield the same results (what is art?).

This is why the Bible is a book and literature is one of, if not the oldest, forms of Art.

So there you go.
 
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