When the scientific evidence is unwelcome...

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edgray

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... people try to reason it away

Research results not consistent with your world view? Then you're likely to believe science can't supply all the answers.

What do people do when confronted with scientific evidence that challenges their pre-existing view? Often they will try to ignore it, intimidate it, buy it off, sue it for libel or reason it away.

The classic paper on the last of those strategies is from Lord, Ross and Lepper in 1979: they took two groups of people, one in favour of the death penalty, the other against it, and then presented each with a piece of scientific evidence that supported their pre-existing view, and a piece that challenged it; murder rates went up or down, for example, after the abolition of capital punishment in a state.

The results were as you might imagine. Each group found extensive methodological holes in the evidence they disagreed with, but ignored the very same holes in the evidence that reinforced their views.

Some people go even further than this when presented with unwelcome data, and decide that science itself is broken. Politicians will cheerfully explain that the scientific method simply cannot be used to determine the outcomes of a drugs policy. Alternative therapists will explain that their pill is special, among all pills, and you simply cannot find out if it works by using a trial.

How deep do these views go, and how far do they generalise? Professor Geoffrey Munro took about 100 students and told them they were participating in a study on "judging the quality of scientific information", now published in the Journal of Applied Social Psychology. First, their views on whether homosexuality might be associated with mental illness were assessed, and then they were divided into two groups.

The first group were given five research studies that confirmed their pre-existing view. Students who thought homosexuality was associated with mental illness, for example, were given papers explaining that there were more gay people in psychological treatment centres than the general population. The second group were given research that contradicted their pre-existing view. (After the study was finished, we should be clear, they were told that all these research papers were fake, and given the opportunity to read real research on the topic if they wanted to.)

Then they were asked about the research they had read, and were asked to rate their agreement with the following statement: "The question addressed in the studies summarised … is one that cannot be answered using scientific methods."

As you would expect, the people whose pre-existing views had been challenged were more likely to say that science simply cannot be used to measure whether homosexuality is associated with mental illness.

But then, moving on, the researchers asked a further set of questions, about whether science could be usefully deployed to understand all kinds of stuff, all entirely unrelated to stereotypes about homosexuality: "the existence of clairvoyance", "the effectiveness of spanking as a disciplinary technique for children", "the effect of viewing television violence on violent behaviour", "the accuracy of astrology in predicting personality traits" and "the mental and physical health effects of herbal medications".

Their views on each issue were added together to produce one bumper score on the extent to which they thought science could be informative on all of these questions, and the results were truly frightening. People whose pre-existing stereotypes about homosexuality had been challenged by the scientific evidence presented to them were more inclined to believe that science had nothing to offer, on any question, not just on homosexuality, when compared with people whose views on homosexuality had been reinforced.

When presented with unwelcome scientific evidence, it seems, in a desperate attempt to retain some consistency in their world view, people would rather conclude that science in general is broken. This is an interesting finding. But I'm not sure it makes me very happy.

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Article by Ben Goldacre of badscience.com

An interesting article I thought I'd share with you all.
 
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People don't want to believe what they don't believe. All the bad press over the last 50 years or so about going "green". Conservatives view "green" as in "ecology" as costing them money. It's completely baffling. Recycling is efficient. That is what business is supposed to be about.

A while back there was an outstanding article in Newsweek that said the environmental filth in China was costing the Chinese up to 22% GDP attributed partially to the poor health of their workers exposed to toxic waste. Will China step up to the challenge or will it just be too expensive to keep Chines workers healthy? I looked for a link but could not find one.

Same thing with Global Warming. While I don't say it's a sure thing, I believe if it can be shown mankind is contributing, maybe we can change our ways, and maybe it will make a difference. The conservative opinion is that no investigation is needed or wanted because it is just an outright falsehood that is... you got it, going to cost them money.
 
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Pluto is still a Planet, dammit. I don't care what they say! Freaking over-educated twerps thinking they know everything... Ha!:ninja
 

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hahaha thanks for the contributions, guys!!

The point of the article was that if scientific research contradicts one of your beliefs, you're less likely to believe science has the answers for anything.

A really good example of this is climate change. This has shaken many people's beliefs to the core as it really shows how dangerous the consumer driven way we live is. This has turned science into a public debate. Which is just ridiculous.

Oh, PJ, this is for you:

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:24::24::24::24:

To the point tho, men should know that size doesn't matter.... Just cuz it's small......... :D
 

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What people need to remember about scientific studies is that they are always partisan.

We know, for example, with all that scientific evidence (that nobody ever tampers with) Climate Change is both real, and also not happening at all. So people see what the celebrities think, and take their stance towards it from there. :(
 

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Recycling is efficient.

Penn & Teller did an episode on recycling. They claim recycling is BS with the exception of aluminum cans. But I took probably about 200 lbs of scrap metal to a place near me and was paid $15. So I'm guessing recycling most metals makes economic sense.
 
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Penn & Teller did an episode on recycling. They claim recycling is BS with the exception of aluminum cans. But I took probably about 200 lbs of scrap metal to a place near me and was paid $15. So I'm guessing recycling most metals makes economic sense.
You would have been better off taking 200 pounds of cans in to recycle. You would have gotten paid more...
 

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Penn & Teller did an episode on recycling. They claim recycling is BS with the exception of aluminum cans. But I took probably about 200 lbs of scrap metal to a place near me and was paid $15. So I'm guessing recycling most metals makes economic sense.

That's it?!?!?! :eek

We recycled about 100 lbs of scrap last week metal and got about $150.
 

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Penn & Teller did an episode on recycling. They claim recycling is BS with the exception of aluminum cans. But I took probably about 200 lbs of scrap metal to a place near me and was paid $15. So I'm guessing recycling most metals makes economic sense.

It takes less energy to recycle metals then it does to mine them out of the ground and refine them. So I guess we agree on that? There is more to this issue then what the original material cost to make. The most important point is that recycling makes raw materials go farther. There is no disputing this fact. It's really important for limited items like metals and oil. Although trees can be regrown, old paper can be used a couple of times and consumed for energy.

For other items, the choice is throw them in giant land fills or to reuse them. Plastic can be reused. Now depending on the price of oil, plastic might be cheaper to make from scratch, but you still end up with giant piles of waste where instead you could reuse this material. In the big picture it is more efficient no matter what Penn & Teller say. :p
 
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Watch Penn and Teller's Bullshit, I think you'd enjoy it Edgray.
I have to agree with the article...and I know I need to tread carefully, but look at religion.
Look at all it's contradicting elements...
Look at religion... I mean. Whoa.
We can't even teach our kids scientific theories in school because it doesn't follow the Earth's 7 day creation.
And diets?
Yes, if you eat nothing but Meat and Salad with tons of dressing- you'll loose weight.
Your body will think it's starving, and forget how to process carbs- but it's safe, really...read my book.
No there's no change to the Earth's temperature... it's 4.5 or so billion years old. It doesn't change.
As for Recycling it is BS, look at where most of your recycling actually goes. Most of the time it's in the same landfills as the regular crap...

And think of all the starving raccoons who are digging through your trashcans and finding a bunch of plastic and paper.

Think of the Raccoons.

(Perhaps it's not that beliefs are canceling science as much as wishful thinking.)
 

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Watch Penn and Teller's Bullshit, I think you'd enjoy it Edgray.
I have to agree with the article...and I know I need to tread carefully, but look at religion.
Look at all it's contradicting elements...
Look at religion... I mean. Whoa.
We can't even teach our kids scientific theories in school because it doesn't follow the Earth's 7 day creation.
And diets?
Yes, if you eat nothing but Meat and Salad with tons of dressing- you'll loose weight.
Your body will think it's starving, and forget how to process carbs- but it's safe, really...read my book.
No there's no change to the Earth's temperature... it's 4.5 or so billion years old. It doesn't change.
As for Recycling it is BS, look at where most of your recycling actually goes. Most of the time it's in the same landfills as the regular crap...

And think of all the starving raccoons who are digging through your trashcans and finding a bunch of plastic and paper.

Think of the Raccoons.

(Perhaps it's not that beliefs are canceling science as much as wishful thinking.)

I'm very confused. Is that all sarcasm? Or just some of it, or none of it?
 

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It's alternating sarcasm.
Highly Technical.

Religion
The Atkins Diet
Global warming...

The sarcasm is the way it's presented to us. Even though it's illogical and unscientific, I think most of the time people believe it for the simple fact that it's easier and more comforting to believe.

Apologies for being unclear...I'm highly scatterbrained. <3
 
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