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[riversampson]

Hey guys, i was wondering what you think limits should be when it comes to protesting.

for example, a couple of years ago a radical animal rights group called the Real Animal League kidnapped some hunters whilst they were hunting deer and then hunted them instead. (the link is in my signature because i think it's great)

but did they go to far? Should protesting be limited to marches and gatherings with banners? Or can radical measures like this be acceptable in today's society?


River S.

 

[Niamh]

I watched that link, is that real? That is definitely too far imo.

 

[riversampson]

As far as i know it's real. theres even a film coming out this year about it. they got the people involved to be interviewed and did recreations i think. i'm not sure.

It does seem a bit too far but I really hate fox hunting so they had it coming. they're just being treated the same way they treat animals. Harsh but fair.

 

[Niamh]

As far as i know it's real. theres even a film coming out this year about it. they got the people involved to be interviewed and did recreations i think. i'm not sure.

It does seem a bit too far but I really hate fox hunting so they had it coming. they're just being treated the same way they treat animals. Harsh but fair.

I'm not a fan of fox hunting either but that video still doesn't sit well with me tbh

 

[Springsteen]

I think protesting is fine, people should have a right to do it. However when it becomes violent then a stop should be put to it because innocent people could be hurt. But that happens at pretty much any protest. I think they should be given their own little space to protest as opposed to complete ownership of the streets during a protest. As for your example and video I think that goes beyond protesting, and not in a good way, because while you might not agree with fox hunting, or deer hunting, you can expres it in more non-violent ways, as opposed to what they did.

 

[Kyle B]

To me, anybody should be allowed to protest anything they want, just as long as they are within the law and are not endangering others.

 

[porterjack]

despite the opinion of some; animals and humans do not share the same rights, we may object to the mal-treatment of animals, we may protest peacefully within the limit of law ...I would defend the right of the protestors to have their dissenting voices heard with my dying breath...but you cannot ( and i add with caution I have not viewed the clip, cannot do so from here) hunt humans - you do your argument no favours when in empahsising the mal-treatment of animals you break the law, it is almost like you waste your evidence by commititng a "greater" crime ( greater in the eyes of the law, not a personal judgment..

having said all of that - often peaceful protest is not enough, i admire passionate protest but sometimes the very passion shown by protestors is used to great effect against the protestor by the lawyers hired to defend, in this case, the hunters


protest but be smart

 

[HK]

I don't agree with hunting, but I also don't agree with hurting others to make your point. If you can't sway people with a good argument then perhaps your argument isn't that good. Tactics like that just give protest a bad name.

 

[riversampson]

despite the opinion of some; animals and humans do not share the same rights, we may object to the mal-treatment of animals, we may protest peacefully within the limit of law ...I would defend the right of the protestors to have their dissenting voices heard with my dying breath...but you cannot ( and i add with caution I have not viewed the clip, cannot do so from here) hunt humans - you do your argument no favours when in empahsising the mal-treatment of animals you break the law, it is almost like you waste your evidence by commititng a "greater" crime ( greater in the eyes of the law, not a personal judgment..

having said all of that - often peaceful protest is not enough, i admire passionate protest but sometimes the very passion shown by protestors is used to great effect against the protestor by the lawyers hired to defend, in this case, the hunters


protest but be smart

very well said. Its sad really that peacefull protest isnt enough these days to get a point across.

 

[skyblue]

look at the video logically.....its fake,a dramatic fantasy

 

[FreightTrain]

Obviously, the video is fake. It would have been much better if instead of hunting the hunters with guns, they turned the animals on the hunters. To me, that seems fair. Animals don't carry guns and can't shoot back. Now, if someone is hunting for food I have no problem with that. I do have a problem with people hunting bears, wolves, coyotes, cougars, etc. for trophies. Those people need to be stripped naked and sent into a bear's den in the middle of winter. To me, that would even the playing field and that's poetic justice.

 

[porterjack]

I do have a problem with people hunting bears, wolves, coyotes, cougars, etc. for trophies. .

what about population control? Coyotes are flourishing in the urban areas near where i live, culling their numbers is the only way to keep the numbers down

 

[FreightTrain]

what about population control? Coyotes are flourishing in the urban areas near where i live, culling their numbers is the only way to keep the numbers down

Oh, I'm sorry. Which came 1st--the coyotes or the housing area?? Using that logic, the American Indians were subjected to 'population control' from the white man.

 

[Xeno]

Hey guys, i was wondering what you think limits should be when it comes to protesting.

for example, a couple of years ago a radical animal rights group called the Real Animal League kidnapped some hunters whilst they were hunting deer and then hunted them instead. (the link is in my signature because i think it's great)

but did they go to far? Should protesting be limited to marches and gatherings with banners? Or can radical measures like this be acceptable in today's society?


River S.

I believe all protests should be done in a civil and decent manner simply because violence never opens the minds of those whom you are trying to reach. It only opens the doorway to more hate and eventually, amongst the chaos, you truly forget what you were once "fighting" for in a sense. Though I also believe it is sometimes necessary to take action...but it is not our place to take action with violent acts against another. Our actions tend to speak volumes to those whom wish to lend an ear to our voices at times. We should not abuse that whatsoever. The actions of those may be remembered for generations when using physical force...though an ideal and movement shall live on in the hearts of those to come. There is much wrong with today's society, however, one must take the initiative to set the bar for today's society by making all of your thoughts known through civil discussions and protests. In that way, at least, one can achieve a moral victory in a sense. Then again, it is merely my own opinion on the matter.

 

[porterjack]

Oh, I'm sorry. Which came 1st--the coyotes or the housing area?? Using that logic, the American Indians were subjected to 'population control' from the white man.

but they become a menace, in eastern canada last year, maybe the year before a hiker was killed by a coyoye - do we wait for kids to be attacked before we take action? I will acknowledge that their population explosion is because of human action, twofold really - careless disposal of garbage but more importantly road kill, city staff just dump the road kill they scrape off the highways into pits, easy food for a coyote - both of these practices need to stop, but you know they breed so quickly that cutting off the food supply just starves them to death, it is actually more humane to shoot them

 

[Zorak]

I see the attraction of hunting, not sure I'd do it myself, and if I did, I'd definatley eat whatever I hunted. But protestors need to get over themselves, we're the dominant species on this planet, and as long as we are sensible - there's no problem in my view.

Animals are not the same as humans as porterjack said, they don't get the same rights.

 

[FreightTrain]

but they become a menace, in eastern canada last year, maybe the year before a hiker was killed by a coyoye - do we wait for kids to be attacked before we take action? I will acknowledge that their population explosion is because of human action, twofold really - careless disposal of garbage but more importantly road kill, city staff just dump the road kill they scrape off the highways into pits, easy food for a coyote - both of these practices need to stop, but you know they breed so quickly that cutting off the food supply just starves them to death, it is actually more humane to shoot them

Why can't they be relocated? They're just animals acting upon animal instinct. They're a crucial part of the food chain. As a predator, they attack the weak and diseased animals. They are necessary in maintaining further spread of disease. We're human and think like humans. When we act like animals by leaving the scent of roadkill high in the air over neighborhoods, do we still blame the predator for coming around? Coyotes are fairly intelligent, sometimes mankind proves not to be.

 

[porterjack]

Why can't they be relocated? They're just animals acting upon animal instinct. They're a crucial part of the food chain. As a predator, they attack the weak and diseased animals. They are necessary in maintaining further spread of disease. We're human and think like humans. When we act like animals by leaving the scent of roadkill high in the air over neighborhoods, do we still blame the predator for coming around? Coyotes are fairly intelligent, sometimes mankind proves not to be.

relocation just delays population spread, i am not talking mass killing to make them extinct i am talking culling to keep the numbers down so they avaialble food supply feeds the population, a natural balance is restored, smaller packs of coyotes need less food, breed less and there fore less liley to infringe on human urban settlements

 

[Xeno]

I see the attraction of hunting, not sure I'd do it myself, and if I did, I'd definatley eat whatever I hunted. But protestors need to get over themselves, we're the dominant species on this planet, and as long as we are sensible - there's no problem in my view.

Animals are not the same as humans as porterjack said, they don't get the same rights.

Being the dominant species should not be an excuse for what we do to animals nowadays. I suppose one would need to look deep into the eyes of such a creature to know that we are the same in the sense we both have had a mother and father in that aspect. There is no "sensible" reason to hunt animals other than for survival not for sheer sport. Tis ashame that we usually use the "dominant species" fact as an excuse though I suppose if we were treated that way by another species that had out numbered the human race we would consider it to be immoral and sadistic. And tis ashame as a "dominant species" we are at times inhuman to others in this world. I suppose being "dominant" is another excuse to be heartless. Some people shall remain whom they are though. Some believe it is wrong and some believe it is right. All for different reasons. One can only respect the views of those whom are different from their own. That is merely my own opinion though.

 

[FreightTrain]

Being the dominant species should not be an excuse for what we do to animals nowadays. I suppose one would need to look deep into the eyes of such a creature to know that we are the same in the sense we both have had a mother and father in that aspect. There is no "sensible" reason to hunt animals other than for survival not for sheer sport. Tis ashame that we usually use the "dominant species" fact as an excuse though I suppose if we were treated that way by another species that had out numbered the human race we would consider it to be immoral and sadistic. And tis ashame as a "dominant species" we are at times inhuman to others in this world. I suppose being "dominant" is another excuse to be heartless. Some people shall remain whom they are though. Some believe it is wrong and some believe it is right. All for different reasons. One can only respect the views of those whom are different from their own. That is merely my own opinion though.

Now, that was a thing or beauty!!:clap:clap Xeno is a free thinker.


Except, for the disclaimer at the end. Own it like it comes from a voice of authority by excluding that last line.