Whats Predestination

[Haus]

My friend keeps on bustin on me cause I always say shit like 'If its meant to be it will be' if thats the way its suppose to be then it shall be'

I think things happen for a reason, Doesnt mean that things dont suck if it goes bad. but if something happened there was a reason for it to happen but thats just in my opinion. I try to look at things from a glass half full perspective

Does that mean i believe in predestination? Im not even sure what the hell it is lol but shes using that term


I kinda just live my life and what ever happens happens. No matter how i live my life im gonna die at the end of it lol

 

[Accountable]

Kinda the opposite of free will.

 

[dkwrtw]

"what is meant to be will be" or something like that, like the end result of things is a foregone conclusion and there's nothing you can do to change it. DESTINY.

 

[itsmeJonB]

Sounds like yeah you believe things are predetermined like our actions aren't choices rather fate. But if that were the case people acting on pure impulse would have the same odds as someone who weighs out their options. What do you believe about that scenario, out of curiousity

 

[Xeno]

I have always believed that we all have the ability to control our own destiny in a sense. Some of us just choose to give into the whole concept of "predestined" events or decisions in their lives. To me, of course, if everything was predestined then there would never be the thought of other options on how to proceed in life so to speak. You would have a one track mind. Though some people do have a one track mind they have shown that they have the ability to continue doing so at various times in their life. Again, just my own opinion as usual.

 

[Haus]

Sounds like yeah you believe things are predetermined like our actions aren't choices rather fate. But if that were the case people acting on pure impulse would have the same odds as someone who weighs out their options. What do you believe about that scenario, out of curiousity

I know we make choices to what we do. I can choose to do this or I can choose to do that. but if i choose something and it wasnt the best choice. It just wasnt meant to happen that way. it just may be a mountain to climb over on the road of life. I try to stay positive that itll lead to something bigger or better.

All of the people I met lead me to other great people I call my friends. Some of those people that introduced me to these people are bitches and assholes and pushed them away. but if not for them I may not of met these awesome people. or I may have met them another way. but i was meant to meet them that way I think. I dunno haha so confusing sometimes.

Im not really sure I understand your question. Lets see if I can try. I had this girl years ago and we were thinking about having a kid and we talked about it and we decided to try to have one. but it never happened. My thought was we just werent meant to have one at that time. Instead of being sad about it and dwell on it. Thats the way I thought.

I just think if something happens or doesnt happen. It happens or doesnt happen for a reason.

Like people that bitch about people smoking saying its gonna kill them. Your gonna die anyway. you might aswell enjoy life. you may die of smoke related illness or you could fall down steps and break your neck tomorrow haha

 

[Azazel]

 

[itsmeJonB]

I know we make choices to what we do. I can choose to do this or I can choose to do that. but if i choose something and it wasnt the best choice. It just wasnt meant to happen that way. it just may be a mountain to climb over on the road of life. I try to stay positive that itll lead to something bigger or better.

All of the people I met lead me to other great people I call my friends. Some of those people that introduced me to these people are bitches and assholes and pushed them away. but if not for them I may not of met these awesome people. or I may have met them another way. but i was meant to meet them that way I think. I dunno haha so confusing sometimes.

Im not really sure I understand your question. Lets see if I can try. I had this girl years ago and we were thinking about having a kid and we talked about it and we decided to try to have one. but it never happened. My thought was we just werent meant to have one at that time. Instead of being sad about it and dwell on it. Thats the way I thought.

I just think if something happens or doesnt happen. It happens or doesnt happen for a reason.

Like people that bitch about people smoking saying its gonna kill them. Your gonna die anyway. you might aswell enjoy life. you may die of smoke related illness or you could fall down steps and break your neck tomorrow haha

And I agree to an extent, but I don't think mistakes are meant to happen or when people die is predetermined, you know what I mean I think its all the luck of the draw. There's too much chaos in nature for it to all have a pattern. If that makes sense

 

[Haus]

And I agree to an extent, but I don't think mistakes are meant to happen or when people die is predetermined, you know what I mean I think its all the luck of the draw. There's too much chaos in nature for it to all have a pattern. If that makes sense

well i just know were gonna die. I dont know when or where. I dont want to know that. You have the choice to end your life right now if you so choose.

see i dont understand where i get what I think. Sometimes i feel like im contradicting myself when it comes to death.

When someone dies I dont say" who cares, it was meant to be i guess"

when someone dies i get sad and never say the above. It sucks when someone close to you dies. I know its a part of life but its a horrible feeling

the only good i can see from someone dieing is if they are in pain and then theyre not suffering anymore.

I believe things happen for a reason but on the other hand i cant grasp or know the reason why people die other than old age. uggg this is so confusing. I need to stop over analyzing this. it all started when my friend lost her 2 year old niece and 2 month old nephew in a car crash

 

[HK]

I don't think what you're saying to your friend is predestination exactly because it doesn't sound like you're saying 'we had no choice in what happened' so much as 'it's happened, that's the way it is'.

I get what you mean about trying for a baby with your ex - I nearly bought a house with my ex, right before the housing market plummeted, and then we broke up a year later anyway, so there were several good reasons that it was lucky we didn't do it!

 

[Accountable]

I believe shit happens. If life is manipulated in an "it was meant to be" way, or an "it was God's will" way, then it means that I don't have free will. If I don't have free will then I'm truly not responsible for my actions.

That's a dangerous slope.

 

[BornReady]

To me, predestination means a god has decided your destiny and there's nothing you can do about it. I believe in determinism which is similar but not the same. Determinism is just an observation that causes have effects. Kick a dog enough times and he'll turn mean. Smoke enough cigarettes and you'll get lung cancer. There's nothing magical going on. It's just the way the world works.

Many think determinism is the opposite of free will but that's not the case. Free will is simply the ability for your desires to determine your actions. Your desires are actually one variable of determinism which is good news for those who value free will. But desires aren't the only variable. Nobody has complete free will. Flapping your arms will not make you fly no matter how much you desire it. The goal should be to maximize everyone's free will without stepping on the rights of others.

 

[Accountable]

To me, predestination means a god has decided your destiny and there's nothing you can do about it. I believe in determinism which is similar but not the same. Determinism is just an observation that causes have effects. Kick a dog enough times and he'll turn mean. Smoke enough cigarettes and you'll get lung cancer. There's nothing magical going on. It's just the way the world works.

Many think determinism is the opposite of free will but that's not the case. Free will is simply the ability for your desires to determine your actions. Your desires are actually one variable of determinism which is good news for those who value free will. But desires aren't the only variable. Nobody has complete free will. Flapping your arms will not make you fly no matter how much you desire it. The goal should be to maximize everyone's free will without stepping on the rights of others.

So determinism's like playing the odds to predict what will happen.

 

[Zorak]

So determinism's like playing the odds to predict what will happen.

Get it right, and you can claim you make your own luck. A fine epitath for anyone.

 

[pjbleek]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8B-Nokm9K0

 

[BornReady]

So determinism's like playing the odds to predict what will happen.

Yeah, sometimes odds come into play. For example, most believe the weather is deterministic. Zeus and other weather gods have been replaced by meteorology. None-the-less, weather men are playing the odds to some degree because there's so many variables involved.

Get it right, and you can claim you make your own luck. A fine epitath for anyone.

Agreed.

 

[Accountable]

That explanation is light years better than the one somebody tried here a few months back. :thumbup:thumbup